Ultimate Paradise

Thought it could lead to some interesting conversation.  This is such an awesome game series, and I am surprised so few people here have played.

GAMES(to be released in NA)
-Revelations Persona
-Revelations The Demon Slayer
-Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
-Demikids Dark Version
-Demikids Light Version
-SMT III: Nocturne(Lucifer' Call)
-Digital Devil Saga Episode 1
-Digital Devil Saga Episode 2
-Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs The Soulless Army
-Persona 3
-Persona 3 FES
-Persona 4
-Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine
-Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abbadon
-Devil Survivor
-Persona(PSP)
-Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
-P3P
-Devil Survivor: Overclocked
-Shin Megami Tensei Persona 2: Innocent Sin
-Devil Survivor 2
-Persona 4: Arena
-Persona 4: The Golden
-Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner Soul hackers
-Shin Megami Tensei IV

Upcoming Titles
-Devil Survivor 2 Overclocked
-Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth
-Persona: The Ultimate Ultra Suplex Hold
-Persona 4: Dancing All Night
-Fire Emblem x Persona Project
-Persona 5

Anyways, for all two or three of you out there, which games have you played?  What is your favorite?  That's all I have so far.

Anyways, for me:
-Persona 2: Eternal Punshment
-SMT III: Nocturne
-Digital Devil Saga 1
-Digital Devil Saga 2
-Persona 3
-P3: FES
-Persona 4
-Raidou Kuzunoha 1
-Raidou Kuzunoha 2
-Persona(PSP)
-Strange Journey
-P3P
-Persona 2: Innocent Sin
-Devil Survivor 2
-Soul Hackers
-SMT IV

Persona 3 so far being my favorite.

This will be Maniac's base of operations in the General Games board.

Oh hey he's here.

>_>

I own: Nocturne, P3, both DDSaga's, and Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha, my favorite being Nocturne. I need to start importing the ones released in the early/mid 90's. Second best series I've played, next to only Baldur's Gate.

You speak/read japanese?

No, though I can probably find a site online that translates the script. It'll suck to view a page every screen to verify what the text is just to see what's going on, though it would likely be worth it. That, or I could find an emulator (Which would save me the trouble of searching for specific regional consoles just to play the god damn things in the first place, anyway); there are established English language patches for SMT II, that I'm certain.

*Has P3:FES*

I like the games. But the graphics could use a little work. *Stares at Nippon Ichi*

*Also has P3:FES*

One of the best gawd damn stories ever.And the great characters only improve on that fact.Sure the graphics could use some work but it gets the job done.

I see.

I heard somewhere that there was going to be a DS remake of the first one, and it would probably come to NA(and eventually Europe).

Siax: How far are you?

Topic Updated, if you see any mistakes, please tell me.

About simply adding "Devil Summoner" to the released outside of Japan list, I believe there are like, 3 Devil Summoners total, the one simply known as "Devil Summoner" being a Japan-only Saturn game. The only one that was released in the U.S. was "Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs The Soulless Army".

I knew you would be the one to point that out.

Anyways, yes, I know, I was just in a hurry to get off... and I forgot the last part.

Beat the journey and I'm a little ways into the answer.I stopped playing because the battle system got so damn boring at that point (v ///_-)

OR MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S TOO HARD OH SNAP

OH MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S SO DAMN BORING LIKE A JUST SAID OLOLOLOLO

The battle system of P3 does get fairly tedious after a while. Even the multitude of personas don't quite save it.

Glad someone actually agrees with me >___>

It's mostly the insipid attack animations, the fact that Personas don't really make a difference unless you use the damn skills, the lack of strategical variety, and of course, the gorram grinding.

Hopefully if Persona comes to the next gen consoles they'll change the battle system to something less...you get the point.

WAY TO TAKE SOMETHING SERIOUSLY SIAX OLOLOL

The personas are for the most part repetitive, which makes them pointless, and once you get to like, level 60, they start becoming far too similar in every way excluding appearance. Though in almost all SMT games with a multitude of collectible creatures this is present, but it seems to be more bearable when you can have a party of them at a time rather than one.

I didn't find the battle system boring... though, I don't get bored often.  I dis not like that your party members controlled themselves... and were idiots.  Luckily 4 fixed this.

Oh, and how is DS?

Raidou Kuzunoha? I've only played a bit of it, capturing monsters has turning into a button mashing game, and it's real time. So far though, the real time gameplay makes it a bit more difficult, actually, and the monster AI is crap.

What about the story?

Film noir detective style with a talking cat; sweet! I like how it approaches being a detective so far, actually.

Sounds good.  Is it worth 15 bucks for a new copy?

Dunno. I only recently bought it and haven't put much time into it.

Oh, alright.

It seems the original Devil Summoner was remade for the PSP in Japan.  Anyone know if it will come to NA?

Anyone getting P4?

Hell yea.Personally, I hope P5/next persona game (If there's going to be one) is on a next gen console.And that includes any SMT game in general.

SMT IV will be on the PS3.

P4 looks pretty awesome.  And I am really glad they fixed the battle system.  Can't wait until December.

SMT IV?

And what did they change about the battle system in P4?

The fourth game in the main series.  Nocturne is III, and I & II didn't make it here.

And you can now control your idiot characters.

Ah.Here's hoping for an early release.

Isn't that something they should of added in a long damn time ago?

As far as I know, you can control them in any other SMT gamer besides P3.

Ah.I see.I wonder if P3 was their attempt at trying somthing "New" for the series.

It was I think.

Maybe the should of saved that for when they go next gen...

*shrug*

They act on their own in Raidou Kuzunoha, though you can play as them just as long as Raidou isn't in the party through certain commands outside of battle.

Which is usually worse than not having control over them, but having Raidou in.

Oh...

Have you heard anything on SMT IV?

I'm always the worst person to ask about hearing about anything. I really don't tend to pay attention to anything, but considering the time gap between SMTII and SMTIII, you may want to look elsewhere for the moment. Though the time gap between III and IV might be significantly smaller now that SMT has hit overseas.

I see... Oh well.

Bump.

And also:

Persona 2 Innocent Sin translation patch is finished.

Oh, and a SMT MMO is coming to the US and EU.

Man... it kinda sucks when there are only to SMT fans on the site...

Even that could generate 30+ posts if there was much going on with the series, though. I've got nothing to say for the moment though, past that I pre-ordered P4.

I'd get that if I didn't have a piece of crap of a comp.

Oh yeah, I need to preoder P4 sometime.

Well, I'm so bored here is a few crap questions to keep the topic alive until something actually happens:

-Favorite MC?
-Favorite Creature?
-Most badass creature?
-Most annoying Boss?
-Most Pathetic boss?

I'll answer them later.

Oh, and on an unrelated note, Siax, I got some news for us.  EGM will be interveiwing Suda51 next month, so we will get to see what the next game is, probably.

Are those questions just in general? Or mainly SMT?

And BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYA SUDA! GIVE USE NMH2 DAMN IT!

They are for SMT games.

And I would prefer something to do with K7(though I haven't played NMH).

MC Hammer

Wyverns

Red Dragons

That bastard who throws his hair at the end of Revenge of Shinobi or Virus Sigma in X2.

Bowser in SMB

Okay.

If they're not going to mention anything with NMH then K7 is just as good.I'll be looking forward to a K7 Wiimake the most.And you should get to playing NMH ASAP.

Why Suda51?

- Raidou Kuzunoha. The most intimidating of the MCs, he makes a habit out of staring maliciously and ominously at everyone.
- JACK FROST! Followed by Yaksini, I don't need to say why.
- Yaksini.
- Noah from Nocturne, easily. Unless you come in with Freikugel and Focus, expect to take half an hour on him minimum, and if your don't have the super-Mothman, the Trumpeter or someone else who has all the dynes or any almighty skills, it WILL take a long time.
- Too many to count. The first boss from Raidou Kuzunoha worm chick probably is the one, though.

Wha?

And to answer my own questions:
-Serph.  Out of the ones I have seen, he seemed the most... not emotionless.
-Jack Frost, or maybe Black Frost.
-Pixie
-Nyx(it was tedious).  Haven't fought Noah yet, but I am not looking forward to it...
-Hell Biker mainly, and that one maniken that cuts off peoples skin.


And yeah, I need to play NMH.

I think you mean "Who's Suda51?"

Get Kailash and grind to level 80 to get Freikugal. Almighty attack in the same vein as Divine Shot and Spiral Snake, which combined with Focus makes Noah into a 6-7 minute battle. And perhaps I have Nocturne embedded into my mind, but Hell Biker wasn't that easy, and while Sakahagi was a wimp, he was accompanied by Girimehkala and like hell did nobody have any trouble with him

Goichi Suda, commands a group that made Killer 7 and No More Heroes, cult classic developer. I don't know why his company was brought up in this topic.

Dustin: I think you told me once that you watched all the cutscenes somewhere for NMH...



Okay nevermind.

His company was brought up because it's awesome and me and Dustin like their games.Enough said.

I am asuming that Kailash is a Magatama?  And damn, level 80?  I'm only at like 45... and I no longer have focus(dumbass move on my part).

And all thre of those bosses were still pretty easy...


Siax: And I did, but playing it is better.

And sorry for bring him into the topic, it's just because I know Siax posts here and I wanted to tell him,  Should of Pmed it, sorry.

If you're going for the TDE like I am, you're going to have to be at level 95 for the secret final boss, so...

And Girimehkala was a ***** for me, basically because I had an all offensive team. And where are you in the game?

I am not sure which ending I am going for.  I just beat Girimehkala and Shakahagi, and I have only completed the first Kalpa.

And yeah, he was hard at first because I also had an offensive, but there is an easy way to beat him.

Damn it now I feel left out (v ///_-)

Play Nocturne, then; it's awesome.

And judging from your rate, you'll probably be at like, level 75 by the time you get to Noah, so you'll be close to 80.

Go watch the online walkthrough(if you can't find it) and you will be able to chat some to.  And how far are you in the answer?


How far am I in the game?

Barely though the first door.I got bored of it soon after.As I said before, damn battle system.

You're about... 2/3s in? 3/5s if you're going to do the kalpas.

Does doing the Kalpas alter my reason? (Actually, I would rather not bother with any of the reasons, they suck).

And you need to finish it POW.  The story makes up or the gameplay(I think so at least).

Also, anyone going to get P2(IS or EP)?

Considering that if you complete the kalpas you'll automatically locking in for the TDE, it will affect your reason greatly. And yes, all of the reasons suck, and the only endings worth getting are the normal one and the TDE.

I believe that to.It sure did in the journey.But I'm not really that motivated to finish it.I just want to save up my energy for the battle system in P4 when it comes out.

I see.  How many endings are there?  And I have to be at 95 for the "secret boss"?(I already know who it is...)

I see.  And why do you need to save up energy for P4?

If P4's battle system is as boring as P3's was near the end, I'll need as much as I can get to tolerate it.

It's not required to be at level 95, though considering that the secret final boss has an attack that can often one-hit the main character, it's a very good idea. And there are 6 endings I believe.

I see.  How do you get pierce, and what dos it do?  I just heard you need it for that fight... and what is the 6th ending?  I know of the neutral, TD, and the reasons.

POW: It isn't I think.  As I said it's like an average turn based system.

That's what worries me.

Demon ending. It's what you get if you responded to questions with a more villainous tone, yet rejected all of the reasons. And to get Pierce, you must complete the kalpas, which means that you'll be locked in for the TDE, after which, it'll appear on the Margoreh magatama.

I see.  In second play throughs, does your compodeum(Sp?) go with you, so you can summon creatures before you are actually ble to fuse them?

POW: Why?

Yes, and level limits for summoning creatures are removed, which means that once you get the finances for it, you'll be able to summon say, Metatron at level 35.

I don't want it to be a complete bore fest.Sure the story will bound to motivate me but still...

Tbqh, I just prefer to watch them on YT. It works better, I don't have to go through the boring-ass battle system, and I still get story.

Sweet.  I think I will go for TD ending, so I have already beat Metatron and Beelzebub(Sp?).  And the I will have Dante.  Also, can you fuse or recruit certain manikens?

POW: Well, P3 never bored me, but I had to constantly babysit the CPs...

Who watches the YouTubes? I just read them off of SA Lets Play archives.

You can create Futomimi and Sakahagi.

And I never got bored from any SMT game, minus the few points where I had to grind. The press-turn system works astoundingly well among turn-based systems.

Watching a game on YT is fine and all but it's still better to play the actual game.

I've watched quite a few YT LPs.

The boredom didn't really set in till near end game.But still...

YT LPs don't hold a candle to SA LP's in my book.

I keep thinking that a hack-n-slash battle system would fit quite well into Persona.Although I doubt any of you would agree with that.

That would be a lot like Raidou Kuzunoha, which was not really good.

POW: Maybe it could, I don't know really...

Those are who I thought.  How do you make them?

Also, I watch LPs on YT, and I don't know what SA is...

Through some scenes in a special section of the fourth kalpa. And SA = Something Awful.

They could probably put more effort into a battle system like that in persona then Raidou Kuzunoha.But that's just my opinion.

I see.  Also, how do you get Uber Pixie?

Through some doors in the fifth kalpa, one that requires one of your monsters to have 25 base strength. She's got some nice skills, though unless you attach some resistances and pierce onto her, she's going to suck. Of course, you have to have your pixie, or the monster you fused her into (and if you fused that monster, that one as well. Just as long as you didn't get rid of her or sacrifice her)

I see.  I still have her, she is currently some sort of tengu at the moment... What skills does she come with?

Megidoloan, Maziodyne, Mediarahan, Samrecarm and I believe another.

Wow, those four are pretty good though.

Though again, she has **** resistances; she's just a "normal" fairy with godlike stats and some good skills.

Oh.  How do you get more onto her?

Fuse some Mitamas with certain skills that you want her to have onto her.

I see.  I never really tried that before.  How do you get mitamas?

Rags Jewelry or fusing elements.

I see.

Is there a list of fusions?

No, but there's the closest thing to one on GameFAQs.

Faqsfaqsfaqsfaqs

There is?  Where?  I looked under the FAQ list and didn't see one...

Try the boards. Or the Answers.

There is only one question, unanswered from what I remember.

Bump.

Just entered the Amala temple in Nocturne.  Now level 51.

Beat Amala temple, defeated the three archangles and regected whatever reason that girl has.  Level 55 or 56.

TRUE DEMON ENDING

Level 97.

That what you got?

Leveling up a Lilim to make Lilith.

Beat Mara.

And also, I have to say that I find this incomplete slime mara more disgusting then him in his full form.

How?

Well, I guess the amorphous slime version of Mara can be considered a bit more disgusting than his... solid form.

How did I beat him?

Yeah...

How could you think that Slime Mara is creepier than Solid Mara.

I didn't creepier, just more disgusting.

>_>

What?

Oh, and now that I finished Sh5, I suppose I will get back to Nocturne.  And then DDS after that.

Anyone know if DDS2 is hard to find?

No, it's not.

The word difference meant nothing. >_>

Um... Persona 4 discussion?

Anything new about the gameplay besides what we already know?

I don't know...

You like any of the New characters?

I barely know anything about P4 ATM.

Oh... I like Naoto, for reasons that I won't spoil for you.

Have you checked out the official website?

There's an official website?

http://www.atlus.com/persona4/characters.html

There really isn't much on there yet, but I guess it updates every friday.

I know nothing of it. All I know if that I have only 5 bucks down on it and need to change that soon.

Bumps topic.

Also, question:

In upcoming SMT games, what creatures/mythical characters do you want to see?

Dragons. Lots and lots of dragons (Seth was awesome in P3).

Oh you and your dragons...

More Frost monsters.

Hee-ho!

A GIANT ENEMY CRAB

Which Jack Frost would knock over and hit its weak point for massive damage?

I don't know. Jack Frost is awesome in general. But I never got Black Frost(sp?) in P3 -.-

Black Frost is awesome(more so in nocturne).

Also, what was the name of that really broken healer in Nocturne?

Daisoujou.

Yeah, he was awesome.

It's to bad he wasn't as broken in P3.  Nyx would have been a lot easier.

Also, not sure why I was thinking of it, but do you know what Amaterasu looks like in Nocturne?

Strangely enough, she has a masculine sprite and voice. Think Okuninushi (if you remember him) for comparison.

And Daisoujou was still broken. Though for Samsara/Hama Boost rather than Prayer/Meditate.

I don't remember him... and do you have a pick?  Or at least a description?

Yeah, I was hoping for Prayer/Meditate(best combo ever).

http://fromearth.net/LetsPlay/SMTNocturne/Update%2067/45-SMT042.jpg

Taken from Luisfe's SA Nocturne LP.

And with every one of your party members learning Diarahan, having a pure healer is sort of pointless. Besides, switching is much more seamless than in Nocturne.

Thanks.

And yeah... that is true.

Wow, she looks a lot different then she does in P4.

http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/142/14241813/imgs_1.html

Bunch of new screen from P4, I think.

I'm trying to maintain a P4 drought until I buy it, myself. Hence why I haven't seen any of the screen shots or concept art, listened to any of the tracks, or watched any of the scenes. So far, the one thing I even know about it at all is that Chihiro will be in it. >_>

That's not a bad idea.

After preemptively spoiling P3 for myself, I vow not to do that with this.

Good man.

Important news, Persona 2: Enternal Punishment had a reprint(on Amazon, not sure where else).

Very limited, 40 dollars.

Ordering mine today.

****... it sold out before I could get it.


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Anyone here know about emulators?

All I can say is don't ask for the ROM of Persona 2 on this site or really anywhere. I'm very sure it isn't illegal to ask for or supply an emulator, but I wouldn't take my chances for either until confirmation.

Meh, it doesn't matter, I actually got a copy of it(I think Amazon was being weird).

Though, I still need to find a way to get Innocent Sin(I could import, but that would be expensive)...

Oh, and Emulators are legal, I kinda checked that out already.

Copy came today!

...Probably won't see me for a while, again.

Looking it over... now I'm afraid to open it.

Bump/P4 site updated

Only a few more weeks left. I need to update my pre-order.

Got 10 dollars down so far.

Oh yeah, hopefully there will be an updte today.

Also, Persona 2 rocks.

Only a couple more weeks -.-

Meh.

What are you mehing at?

Also, finally getting around to finishing up The Answer.  At the ??? fight.

POW, you finished it yet?

I haven't even touched P3FES in months. Although I've been thinking of playing the Answer again so I can finish it.

Yu should probably beat it before getting P3, because even though they aren't really connected, they are some small connections to the ending of the answer to P4.

Nothing better to do.

I see.

Well take you mehs somewhere else.

And yes...

Oh yeah, finally beat the answer.

That final boss was pretty cool, not as annoying as Nyx.  Theme was pretty good to.

Aigis level 78
Metis Level 77
Yukari Level 74
Junpei Level 75

Personas used:
-Odin: Mind Charge + Thunder Reign = Massive damage
-That one dragon, was a healer

Yukari healed, and used Garudyne at times
Metis attcked with Brave Blade, and bufu/garudyne
Junpei attacked mainly with normal slash attacked or Agidyne

I was surprised that my computer AI didn't screw me over for once.

All of the good reception for P4 is only pumping me up. And only three more days left.

I also recently found out that it's being sold for $40, which is awesome. Though that's old news, again, I'm intentionally keeping myself in the dark about this game.

Only two or three more days... or something.  Man I can't wait.

Also, anyone thinking of getting Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine?

Oh, here are some goodies for you.

Pics of all or most of the personas in P4.
http://photobucket.com/solomon_mckay

Video talking about SMT: Imagine(for those who don't or didn't know how the game works, like me).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7vg6kDPHE

And here's a trailer for SMT: Imagine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSF3VVEKypM&feature=related

And I am sure that the imagine stuff is probably old, but I thought I might as well put it up.

An SMT MMO? Not interested, unless it becomes F2P, which it probably won't.

F2P?

Not an MMO gamer. And I'm not looking at those personas. Don't want to spoil the moment when it come tomorrow.

The spoiler ones have been removed from that list, but alright.

Free to Play.

It is free.

Seriously? It is an MMORPG, there has to be some sort of payment besides the initial cost of the game.

Well, I'm off to the local EB Games to pick my copy up. If this is anything like Persona 3, we won't be running into each other for a good 15 days.

I will most likely get Persona 4 for christmas  but i'm going to pick up Persona 3 today.

yesssss......

*goes and enjoys several days free of lolis*

Make sure to get the superior FES version.

Gots FES Persona 3 it Yay!

Yays

Got my copy of P4(did'nt give me the artbook, but meh).

So... bye.

-.-

*gasp*

P4 Loki looks more like how I would imagine Loki would look...

As long as Loki's still awesome I'm just fine with that.

P4 Loki looks a hell of a lot better than the normal Loki. Now, if they'd only fix Odin, I'd be happy.

Also, yay for Expert Mode. I'm somewhat far into it, but not too far.

W00T. Finally beat the answer -.-

At striptease in P4...

And yay POW!  What did you think?

Yukari being a total ***** didn't rub well with me >__> It seems like Junpei was the only one with his head on straight in that situation.

Yeah, I thought so to.  And I hate how nobody seems to like him, he was like my favorite character in that game.

Oh, have you played P4 yet?

Junpei's alright. Obviously I won't like him as much as you or Maniac but I like how he grows on you as the game goes on.

Not yet. Hopefully it won't become ubur rare by the time Christmas rolls by.

I see....

So, what persona's did you use?

For the Final fight? Susano-o, Gabriel, and Kohryu. Suprisingly I ended up using Kohryu the most even though he wasn't my "best" persona.

Almost beat the journey, Man Incubus and Succubus saved my ass alot...-_-

Why is everyone beating the game so quickly? >__> It too me around +80 hours to beat it.

In total the game took my about 80-90 hours...

Yeah, I used Kohryu and Odin(indra bracers + Thunder Regin + Mind charge = massive damage).

Oh, and magic mirrors help.

Makarakarn(sp?) = Even more massive win. And Mind Charge + Thunder Reign failed me ToT I never liked Mind Charge anyways.

It failed you?  How?

Didn't do as much damage as I thought it would. And Mind charge didn't seem to affect the damage at all, although I did have invigorate 3 so maybe that's why. And I didn't have the indra bracers equiped (Spirit bracers FTW)

What do spirit bracers do?

If you take a hit that kills you, you will be revived with 1 hp one time during the fight.

Oh that's pretty cool.

Saved my ass a couple of times. Especially during the last colosseum fight. Damn Megidolahon(sp?) spaming >___>

Oddly enough I didn't have in trouble in those fights, but they were pretty col.  Loved the music in them.  And the last fight.

Erebus had a cool design for a final boss.

To bad he wasn't that hard.

What does Dark Embrace do anyways? Whenever he used it, it never took affect. At least there was no Moonless gown spamming or Black Queen attack that would screw me over.

Dark embrace is pretty much an instant kill attack.

You have to do a certain amount of damage to stop it, and when you do you get an extra turn.

Ah. No wonder he never hit me with it. I loled when I reflected all of its status spells back at it during the Dark Embrace phase.

Yeah, I was only hit with it once.  To bad though, as I said, he wasn't that tough.

What level were you at?

I think Aigis was around 80, everyone else was above 75

That was about what I was if I remember correctly.

That was it. ^^

Now I feel kind of stupid for using Odin for the Susano-o fusion. Obviously Odin would do more damage with a Mind Charge + Thunder Reign combo (+ Indra bracers).

What did Susano-o have to attact with?

Gave him Thunder Reign, Maziodyne, Mind Charge, and another move that I forget. Took me around 30 min to get it right, and now I'm regreting it lol -.-

All you needed was the indra bracers, or is his magic way lower than Odin's?

I'm sure his magic was above Odin's, but he didn't have elec amp. Meh, as I've said before, not really a fan of Mind Charge.

Oh yeah, forgot elec amp.

Oh well. At least I beat the answer. Now to focus on getting P4. Hopefully I can get my hands on the DDS games while I'm at it.

Nocturne should be pretty easy to find at this point in time.

I'll keep a look out for it.

Online would probably be easier.

DDS might be hard(episode 1 at least).

Though, they might release Nocturne along with the new Devil summoner game like they did in Japan(though I think in that version Dante is replaced with the guy from devil summoner, or something.)

I don't trust Ebay, or any other online stores for that matter.

You can trust amazon.

I still doubt it.

I have only order from there twice myself, but both times it came in great condition before schedule.

The same has happened numerous times for my brother.

What are you afriad off?

Nothing really. I just never used an online service like that before.

Then why not try?

I don't know. I just don't feel like I need to.

Meh, whatever.  But you will have a pretty hard time finding it offline, and if it is at Gamestop/EB, you will be over paying.

Great. Yet another reason to hate EB -_-

So basically your only hope of finding a reasonably priced copy is Gamecrazy(or some other smaller store) or online.  Or that copy that may or may not come with the new devil summoner.

Slowing down on P4 ever since I got FE6 up. I'll probably spend an hour or two from here on it, though.

Blarg

On Void Quest.

Boss sucks so much!

That boss is friggin' awesome. Bringing it back to DQ~!

I haven't played this in days. I'm somewhere in the Secret Laboratory.

The boss is pretty cool, but before I knew how to beat him I hated him.

Just got back from the class trip, probably my favrite part of the game so far.

I wish Chihiro was never given a voice. Though that entire trip was equivalent to the first trip in P3 (The one with Operation Babe Hunt) in comparison the rest of the scenes.

Hell, every other scene is as awesome as Operation Babe Hunt was. I love how P4 has much more emphasis on full-group communication between the party than P3 did. Makes everything seem more natural and entertaining, and the particular conversations remind you that these are kids, not 30-year olds in teenage bodies. Persona 3 did horrible in that aspect, which made Aegis (Since it wasn't unnatural for her) and Junpei the only characters I really liked.

Maybe that was why I liked them more... the dog(can't remember his name at the moment) was awesome though.  Yukari wasn't that bad also...

Yukari was the worst character for an entirely different reason: she was a *****. >_>

Also, Maniac's PC rankings from P3 and P4: Kanji > Aegis > Yosuke > Naoto > Rise > Junpei > Shinjiro > Koromaru > Yukiko > Chie > Teddie > Akihiko > Mitsuru > Ken > Yukari.

But King Moron owns them all.

I'm on December 8th right now. Hell yeah for being near the end game. Also, by the way, 10/30 will leave you in stitches. No joke, it is one of the best moments that I've experienced from a game, and alone elevates this game above P3. Two words: cross-dressing contest.

Oh, I have heard about that part... I can't wait.

I would rank the characters myself, but I have way to much of a headache right now...

But, I would like to know, what do you all(yes, both of you) want to see in Persona 5?  Or SMT IV?

More Jack Frost.

Also, I am now playing Shin Megami Tensei II. Woot!

You are?  How you do that?

Emulator probably

Finished Persona 4 last night. The last boss is less interesting than P3's, the battle theme is crap and the best ending is by no means as good as Persona 3's. Don't get your hopes up.

I got the bad ending... it sucked, though I suppose tha is the point.  Going for true now.

There are three bad endings. Which?

The worsest one I guess.

I watched it and, and it was sorta like "Are you shitting me?".  Thank god that wasn't the good/normal one...

The worst ending was the second coolest ending, actually. Now the bad ending you get on December 6th was complete ****. Dumbest ending I've seen in a while.

Hmm, well, I rpobably shouldn't think to much on this.  Don't want to get spoiled.

I really can't tell what ending you got, so what was your final boss?

And I beat the final boss of the true ending... then the cord got unplugged.  -_-  Well, she is pretty easy with the nice persona I got(trumpeter, and the second to the highest justice arcana one).

Wow, you're underleveled. I fought Izanami at level 93 using Lucifer, Ishtar and Yoshi (lol censor bypass). Practically beat it solo since all of my other characters died in one phase and leaving most of them dead was more efficient. She hits pretty hard on Expert.

My party was at level 80, so I guess Iwas a little underleveled.  It really didn't mattter though, not one person was even killed.

Saw the true ending.  It was... alright.  Not as good as P3's ending, but okay.  It was rather cheesy though...

My entire party was at 80 while my MC was at 93. I swear, Yukiko got one-shotted by its first form 6 times in a row until I started casting Heat Riser on her. I don't think I want to ever use her again. >_>

Also, Yoshi is the best persona in the game. Power Charge + Hassou Tobi is the most god-like combo you can come up with. Though Hassou Tobi is pretty inaccurate.

Power charge + god hand + attack up works well enough to beat her with ease.

Also, dedilitate(Sp?) works well.

Hassou Tobi > God Hand. Hassou Tobi is basically the end all attack, bar none.

I found buffs and debuffs pointless throughout the game myself, even on Expert. Problem with them is that my MC constantly deals the most damage or for the majority or the game, is there to back up Yukiko as a healer. If we had a character who mained in buffs like Akihiko, they'd be more useful. The only games I have ever found buffs to be useful in would be Nocturne and DDS.

Well, they were a lot more useful in Nocturne(so far, I haven't used them in DDS and I am fine), but they had there moments in this game(mainly boss fights).  Heat Riser seemed pretty useless to me though.

Am I the only one who thought that all of the events on March 20th seemed pointless and were only there to expand the game? Of course, it answered some big questions, but it seems like those questions were just left pending until then for the sake of adding that rather than them being answered naturally. I also hated the final boss battle, mainly because nothing set the tone for how epic or impressive it was, unlike with Persona 3's last boss. It just seemed like another boss, added in to bloat the game much like the storyline in the end.

I enjoyed the game, but I think that they could have worked the ending of the game out better.

*Notable game spoilers*

Pulling that one gas station attendant out and making him into the main villain was flat-out silly. There's a limit to how unsuspected a main villain should be and how well that villain is pulled off, but this is more of a kick in the nuts than an interesting plot twist, considering that this guy was essentially a random NPC up until the point. Kinda ruined what I thought of the game, since the killer was one of the coolest villains I've run into in a while.

I didn't think it was all that bad, but he/she/it could have at least had a bigger impact during the game...

On another note, in the way themes go, The Almighty > The Genesis. More proof that Amenosagiri should have been the final boss.

I actually liked the genesis more... I think.  I don't think I ever really payed attention the The Almighty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGUGAHTPcak

The Genesis was awful. 5 minutes of pointless, ambient and almost inaudible build-up < a song that reeks of epicness throughout. Its fans say that it sets to mood; I just say its boring and doesn't pump me up for the last few moments of my first playthrough.

Though Burn My Dread, The Battle for Everyone's Souls and the final boss themes from DDS2 and Nocturne are better than The Almighty.

Oh yeah, that one was pretty good(I still like the Genesis better).  But the three you listed are better then these two)i've only heard parts of DDS2 one though).

Also, just a thought, because people on the P4 board were talking about it, who thinks they should bring back the guns+melee weapon?

Short Swords FTW. I always used short swords in P3 because they were they best at ambushing enemies with, though admittedly, they'd probably be less good at ambushing enemies with in P4. But less awkward, easier to estimate its range, and less easy to miss and get ambushed yourself.

Yeah, I always used short swords in P3.  And there was something weird about the whole ambushing thing in P4, but I'm not sure what...

But guns FTW.  Also one of the reasons I liked playing as Aigis.

For my first ending in Nocturne, which should I go with?  Freedom(or whatever it was called) or TD?

Depends: do you want to grind all the way up to 95 to be able to defeat Lucifer in less than 3 hours, or do want to go through the hell that is fighting Noah without Pierce.

Damn, I forgot about Noah...

So, without pierce, what level/demons/skills should I be at/have?

Assuming you mean without going down the TDE path and at the end of the game, about level 80. The normal final boss isn't too bad, but his supermove will lay waste to your party even while guarding when underleveled. That said, making sure your characters have skills like Debilitate or at least Tarunda/War Cry will save your ass. Really, as long as your MC has Focus, Freikugel and maybe Endure, you're set.

If you mean on TDE, level 100+ is a necessity. Just... I hope you have a lot of time on your hands. Your MC WILL need Life Surge, or whatever that +30% HP skill is. And which demons is sort of pointless since as long as they have a proper arrangement, it doesn't matter. Most people pick Daisoujou/Metatron/Beelzebub since they come with everything they need on the spot.

Sorry, I typed that wrong, I meant not the TDE.

I was also talking about the fight with Noah(forgot to add that).

And I was an idiot and got rid of focus...

That's undoubtedly going to hurt for the last boss, but when your enemy has minimum def and your MC has max strength, a critical Freikugel should do ~2500 damage anyway.

In the fourth kalpa, there is a shady broker who sells a Mothman with every Ma-Dyne skill, which will help against Noah if you can afford it. If you have a bit of time or money and if you're at level 76, you can summon a Trumpeter which also has every Ma-Dyne skill. Mind you, Freikugel or any almighty skill is useless, since Noah will drop the damage to 1/10th, Noah being the only boss in the game that has a resistance to Almighty alongside Lucifer. You'll want to make sure you have the Chakra Elixir from the back entrance to the Obelisk, since your demons will run out of MP quickly and your main character doesn't really have any use other than for debuffs.

Unfortunately, Noah will only have one element that he doesn't null at a time in his second stage, which will go: Ice -> Fire -> Force - Lightning -> Ice, etc.

In the first stage will anything(not counting almighty) work?

I believe it starts using Aurora (which swaps its element) when his first form is half-dead, and once that starts, all of his resistances will go up.

Great... well, thanks for the help.

Where do I fight him?

Second level of the tower of Kagutsuchi, right before the elevator to the third level.

Do I fight him before or after Baal Avatar?

Before.

Well, at least I have an easier fight after him to look forward to.

Baal Avatar is one of the two bosses that may or may not require you to swap your party around in order to stand a chance at all; that said, she WON'T be an easy boss if your party doesn't block curse ailments.

Luckily at least half of them do, and I can probably increase that number.

Cleared the second and third kalpa, and beat the four riders.  Also cleared the diet building.  At level 65.

Couple questions:  How do physical attacks do on Noah?

Is Dante worth getting for the final battle (not TDE)?

Besdies that really broken healer, what are other good fiends?

Thanks in advance.

- They're repelled once he used Aurora.
- Definitely. Dante is pretty good until you start replacing him with top-tier demons like Metatron and Beelzebub, though few players put in that much effort for non-TDE runs. That said, Dante is great for non-TDE runs since he won't be immediately outclassed by other demons, and because you won't be fighting Lucifer. >_>
- A lot of people like Red Rider, though I never used him. Trumpeter is arguably the best magic user in the game, and that's about it. For non-fiends. I'd advise using a demon called Gogmagog, which turns into Albion, for its inherit null physical. It's weak to fire, though it gets rid of that weakness when it evolves into Albion, and becomes a pure tank.

1. ****
2. Sweet.
3.  I was thinking about that one when I saw it on the evolution guide, I suppose I will check it out(I saw some combination that made one of those when I was at the CoS, just don't really remember it.)

Beat the fourth kalpa.  How do I get into the fifth?  The path is blocked...

Uh, have you entered the Tower of Kagutsuchi?

No.

Do you have the second key for the kalpas?

I found out what was wrong, I had to agree to go down to meet with the old gentleman.

No harm in lying I guess, since I justkilled metatron, and left(well, I actually am using the fifth kalpa as a placeto train).  Man, I though Metatron would be harder...

Also, I love your sig.

bump

:U

yo arashi

Also, some game for the DS id coming out.  Not sure hpw I feel about it.

http://www.atlus.com/devilsurvivor/

*Looks at link but doesn't click*

A Devil Summoner game for the DS? >.>

No, it's a strategy game with Devil summoning.  There is another Sub series of the SMT series to compare it to, but I forgot.

Ah. Interesting...

You get persona 4 yet?

Good news everyone.

Persona(revelatins) is being remade.  Now we just need to hope that they bring it to America(would be a nice apology for what they did to the original).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INlE9UZARHg

Atlus is really doing well.

Sadly I don't have P4 yet. I think I may have missed my chance to get it now ToT Damn you Atlus and your limited production.

And I am pleased at the Persona remake for the PSP. I think Arashi made a topic about it not too long ago.

Is it really that hard to find in Canada?  Hell, it's everywhere here.

I guess I'm not looking hard enough then :/

hmm...

Still hoping I can find any of the DDS games.

I am pretty sure you will need to go online for those.

And I can't believe how much people want for DDS2, I was told it was cheaper then 1.

This is probably a stupid question, but can I leave the final level after I enter it?  I wasn't sure...

Bumps this

Hopefully you don't need that last question answered after all this time.

No, I don't.

http://www.play-mag.co.uk/ps2/games/shin_megami_tensei_4/shin_megami_tensei_4.html

hahaha oh wow

That was very misleading...

There's nothing to be mislead by. There's no content in that review. >_>

And this is considered professional?

I meant the link.

Oh yeah, forgot that they neglected to add "Persona" to it.

Another lulzy thing about it.

Yeah, my hopes shot up for a second...

Well, let me put it this way: if I did link to a SMTIV article, it likely wouldn't be from a UK site. >_>

I see...

Check out their Persona 3 review (lovingly referred to as Shin Megami Tensai 3. >_>), it's just as horrible.

Link?

And damn, the new Devil summoner game and that Devil survivor game come out on the same day I think, now I need to decide what to choose...

Surely you could have navigated to it. >_>

http://www.play-mag.co.uk/ps2/games/shin_megami_tensai_3/shin_megami_tensai_3.html

Sorry.

And yeah... makes you wonder how much of he game this guy really played...

You could get that much detail by watching a single trailer and reading a plot summary, actually.

It's either he didn't play it at all or is an idiot, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Or just by reading the back of the box/ maybe the instruction manual...

Though I honestly love the format for the Persona 3 review; he basically lists off everything in the game and at the end suddenly says "this game is boring" without saying what part of it was boring.

Seems like he was saying that the story was boring... which is a matter of opinion, I guess.

Yay, Nyarlathotep(Sp?) is back in the series(would have prefered him as more then a demon, maybe a boss, but oh well).

Improvemenst to the Persona port/remake are looking nice, way faster battle system.

Needs more Cthulhu. Cthulhu hasn't been around since Shin Megami Tensei if..., I believe.

If I recall, his orginal design was... disturbing, to say the least.  Been a while since I saw it though.  But there needs to be more lovecraft period.

Beat Nocturne after setting it down.  Besides the final level being annoying and the bosses(save for maybe the last one) being easy(I was prepared I guess, but Noah seemed way overhyped, or I was lucky).  Thor was just sad though...

Oh, got the Freedom ending, which was what I was going for, I guess.

Noah isn't hard, in fact, he's easy considering that his attacks are all weak. He's just insanely long.

And yeah, lol Thor.

I beat him in about 25 minutes(without using pierce, as you can tell).  How is that?

But yes, Thor... how sad.

Most of the other bosses take 5 minutes. Hell, I could beat down his evilness in 10. Noah likes to take up to an hour if you only have one magic user.

So yeah, that's amazing. You have to have had a ton of mages in that case.

I completely debuffed him, and boosted my magic as high as it would go.

I had Odin with Agidyne and Bufudyne.
Trumpeter with Zandyne(or did I use red rider with wind cutter?  I can't remember).
And then a certain spoiler character with Agidyne.
Demi-Fiend could use Tornado, but mostly he was healing HP and MP.

I also grinded some for the boss fights.

Managed to get a copy of DDS2 for abou 25 dollars.  It doesn't have a case or manuel, but for that price I am not complaining(I can always find one if I really care that much anyways).

Been playing the first DDS, just beat that Ceberus(Sp?) thing.  That thing was a kind tough, though luckily bufudyne +ice amp/boost, downing his defense and boosting my magic let it do 1000+ a turn on one of the heads(on the left I think damn near 2000).

I got Persona 3 FES on Saturday after however long it's been out. After playing it for an entire day I came to the conclusion that it's the best game ever.


How's Persona 4?

Knowing you, that has to be sarcasm.

Only a bit different. Much easier, party members can receive direct information, better characters yet inferior story.

http://criousgamer.com/new-major-titles-to-be-announced-at-e3

Bad news.

I was actually serious. <_< Assuming it's consistently good then it may be my favorite game ever.

I'll probably get Persona 4 sometime then. I didn't get Persona 3 for a while because I hadn't liked the first Persona, but it's clearly a very different game.

As much as I love Persona I think they should give it a break(or work on the remake/port of Revelations, and even though they probably won't, a remake/port of IS).  Maybe work on SMT IV out, are bringing some of the older games over here to the US, now that the series is becoming popular here.

There needs to be a sequel to Nocturne following the True Demon ending.

Or maybe an updated rerelease to SMTII, considering that it is by far and away one of the most interesting RPGs around from its time.

How would that work(story wise I mean)?

And I wouldn't mind seeing updated versions of I or II(or both of them together in a single package... it worked for YS, didn't it?)

I have no idea, but the entire concept of waging war on creation and what lies beyond the universe would be awesome.

That does sound interesting.  Who would be the MC(or, would it be the demi-fiend or not)?

Demi-Fiend, unless he's made into a demonic martyr of sorts in between the two games.

How many endings, and what would they be like?  Would the allignments come back?

I dunno. It's simply only a hope. >_>

Sorry, I didn't mean to pester you.  I just thought your ideas were interesting.

Woo, good a pretty good copy of DDS2(with case and manuel) for like 25 bucks.  How Lucky, for once game stop didn't screw me over.

Picked up my copy of Devil Simmoner 2(I don't feel like posting the whole title) a couple days ago.  It is pretty fun so far, feels almost like kingdom hearts... but it's fun.

Couldn't care less about Raidou Kuzunoha II if it is anything like its predecessor.

Never played the first, but appearantely people are saying that it fxes most or all the problems in the first... I have no ideawhat those are, so I can't say if it is true or not.  Still, fun enough, voice acting would have been nice though.

So I obtained a copy of Persona 3 FES for 3 days.

lol rent

You'll hate it, especially how it really makes everyone who plays it feel like a weeaboo.

My money goes to concerts now, not games, so it had to do.

I'm sure I'll hate the fact that it makes me feel similar to you in some way.

Having it for only three days will be completely worthless anyways. <_<

My first playthrough of it took me exactly 2 minutes away from 100 hours (excluding about 30 hours I may have wasted thanks to game overs, etc), so yeah, it's sort of pointless. >_>

I'm only getting it to test run it and see if I care about it enough to get it in the summer when I have more time/money.

I would almost wager good money that you'd find a lot to criticize about it.

I'm sure, but we'll see.

Well... you guys are cheerful.

I hope ya like it Floydy.

I know gfloyd well enough to acknowledge the fact that there is only a slim chance that he'll like something that I do.

Hmm, I see...

Well, it about time for me to return the game. And by return I mean buy it since I get a discount.

I'm fairly addicted to it at this point, and while I have some points of criticism, I'll save those until I actually beat the game. So I can only hope all the things and characters and such I like are the ones maniac hates.

I like the ones who AREN'T Ken and Yukari. There you go.

Hm, that's a broad range. I'm fairly certain I can hate on some of those.

You probably even have a fair basis for hating them at that.

List those you hate so far, plox.

I'm not that far into the game yet so I don't know all the characters and I'm sure there will be room for me to hate them later, but at the moment I only hate Fuuka, mostly because her voice actress seems like she isn't sure whether she wants to try or not.

And she has dumb hair.

You'll probably end up hating Aegis when she appears, for the sake that her voice actor is very stilted. Just remember that since she's a robot, her voice actor is allowed to sound like a robot. >_>

Anyone you suspect you'll hate later on?

Hmm... well if she's supposed to be a robot than that might pass.

Not sure yet, no one has given any inication as of yet. But like I said there's plenty of time.

The game IS 70-80 hours long, after all. >_>

Characterization is bad though, so for plenty of characters, you may just end up not caring.

Oh, I'm sure.

Still getting ready to take on some boss fights in DDS, been spending a lot of my time on other games though.

Optional Bosses(spoilers maybe)
King Frost
Beelzebub(human)
Beelzebub(fly)
Dragon Orochi
Metatron
Four Beasts 1
Four Beasts 2
Four Beasts 3
Four Beast 4
That other one who I guess is the boss of em
Demi-Fiend


Meh, I forget a lot of there names and order... doubt I am going to take care of all of them anyways, I dn't hate myself that much.  Fun game, but there comes a time when enough is enough.

Original Persona is being rereleased on the PSP. Without the hilariously awful translation, unfortunately.

Well... I would actually like to be able to understand it... but there are a lot of funny lines I will miss(even though I never offcially played the game).

Mark danced crazy!

It's RUINED FOREVER for the sake that it doesn't have the awful translation from the PS1 localization.

...Would be an interesting idea(never happen, since I'm sure Atlus wants to hide that translation under the rug), is having a chopice between the two, as well as a choice between the sound tracks.  Would keep a lot o people happy... but probably to much work to ask for.

From the little I played of the original Persona it wasn't even that good outside of the translation being hilarious.

Bah... bumping.  Last I recall I was around the end of the Gin/Haru path in Devil Survivor...

Beat Devil Survivor, not sure which game to move onto.  Persona preordred.

Oh, and there is going to be another version of 3, this time for the PSP.  Main difference seems to be that you can play as a female this time.  Now, I like the idea for obvious reaons, but I can only sum up my feelings with a single word: ****(rhymes with duck).

RAGE RAGE RAGE NATURAL DANCER CHARMING ME ALL THE TIME RAGE



That is all.

Mind Charge + Marin Karin

I don't think I've even created a persona with Mind Charge. <_<

Use Mitsuru.

Trying that now. I was just fighting it forever because it wasn't capable of actually killing me but it kept charming people into healing it so I just reset. I would've assumed it's immune to charming though.

It may be vulnerable to skills like Tentarafoo which restrict skill usage. If you have a skill like that, try it.

If not, try using Sukunda and/or Sukukaja to prevent it from hitting you in the first place.

GREAT SUCCESS


Switching Aigis and Mitsuru in basically just switched it to me doing more damage than getting charmed managed to heal them back, which made the fight pretty easy if not long.

wheee

Next solo boss is Sleeping Table. Have fun.

I SHALL


For all the rage-inducing of these bosses, the fact that they're actually hard makes them better than bosses in pretty much any other RPG.

Boss after Sleeping Table are the Hell Knights, who are literally 100% impossible to defeat without either Sexy Dance or grinding to an absurd level. So yeah, you'll have fun.

Also, you should have obtained a new party member by now. Don't use him.

What, the dog? I've already tried using him, he's not that great but I'll still use him just because I want the party's levels to be balanced out. >_>

I'm referring to Shinjiro. I'm pretty sure you should have obtained him by now.

I haven't. I've still got 19 days until the next full moon.

BADASS STATUS OBTAINED

Minato is a badass.

Hermit was really easy. >_>

The difficulty of the arcana bosses skyrockets from there. Strength/Fortune is manageable, but it's easier to **** up and lose than in previous bosses, and it's also incredibly long. And the Hanged Man is absurdly durable and has some nice skills like Akasha Arts.

I will now voice my most absolutely hated part of this game (besides the necessary grinding, but I'm pretty much immune to that by now).

I hate, HATE, HATE that stupid **** where you automatically get a game over you get knocked out. No chance for revival, no shot at the other party members finishing the battle and reviving you, one random AI Hama or Mudo and BAM! Back to the title screen for you.

You should always have personas that can nullify Hama and Mudo obviously. >_> But yeah I ragequit for today because a couple random enemies decided to attack me consecutively and scored criticals so I died. I guess the party is just completely lost and morale breaks immediately upon your death despite how they have the ability to raise the dead.

And I've never had to grind, though I intentionally get into fights with whatever enemies I see on the way through Tartarus so I guess that sort of counts.

I do much the same thing when it comes to grinding, but I just find that mechanic a bit too annoyingly wasteful. What, they couldn't program the AI to be able to revive you? It's not exactly rocket science.

Well what happens in the situation that the AI can't revive and they win the fight? Then what happens? You can't regain control of yourself because you're dead.

Then you obviously get kitty-carted out of Tartarus. Fuuka does it for the other members of your team that have been knocked unconscious and abandoned, why not you?

<_< I dunno, to make the game harder.

Yeah, but it's fake difficulty though.

Not really.

Yes really.

I WILL NOT TAKE THIS TO ITS OBVIOUS END

YOU WILL AND YOU'LL LIKE IT, DAMMIT

Don't play Nocturne.

wtf sleeping table table just killed my party in three attacks how do i even

Oh hey I found Persona 3.

Is it FES?

Yup.

WIN. Mediarama made it pretty easy.

POLYDEUCES HAS EVOLVED INTO CEASAR

R.I.P.

Make sure you have Sexy Dance for the Hell Knights.

Already up to Hanged Man actually. For the Hell Knights I literally used Sexy Dance every turn, that fight was ridiculous. >_>

How were Fortune/Strength?

Tartarus kind of gives up for a while from here, so don't expect many more hard bosses from here. Some people have problems with the Stasis Giants, though they're perfectly manageable if you use Thor + Null Strike (which I think you get from Chernabog?). World Balance also scares the **** out of others, though it's pretty easy on normal. Jotun of Grief is pretty much the only really tough boss from there, and only because of his absurd resistances.

Fortune and Strength I won on the second try. It was mostly a matter of being good at the wheel of fortune thing. <_<

At any rate, the Hanged Man is harder. Have fun!

Only because of Akasha Arts. D:<

Akasha Arts is amazing.

Maybe it would be if I had it.

I think the first persona that gets it is Melchizedek at level 59. Hope you maxed the Justice Arcana!

Maniac's posts in this topic are making me smile.

wut

I actually only just started it because I didn't know who had it.

What's your S-Link progress anyway?

Also, keep and eye out for the Empress arcana that begins in November and Aeon which begins in January. Mitsuru/Aegis respectively.

Why? This is about tarot!

ohu

Finished Magician, Strength, and Chariot, almost finished with most of the others, not much progress in some. I'm pretty sure it's impossible for me to max every social link this game now.

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk98/ReinforceEin/tarot.jpg)


Make sure that you finish Emperor. The ultimate persona for it, Odin, is pretty much the best persona in the game.


Really. What?

YAEH!!!

Death is my favorite. <3

Made me smile generally.

So, I'm gonna play P3 on Expert.

Good god that was a long fight. Success is mine though. It wasn't really that hard, just so long that something might eventually mess up over time.

olol JUST AS PLANNED moment. Saw it coming though.

I laughed at Emperor, Heirophant, Strength, Death, Temperance, The Devil, The Sun, and The World.

Wait, it took you how long to finish that? >_>;

Fool, Emperor, Chariot, Hanged Man, Death, Temperance and Tower are epic.

Raping her or not raping her... decisions... decisions...

To be honest I can't say exactly because I had left the game on in the middle of the fight for like 5 hours. Overall I think it was close to 30 minutes because he kept summoning more statues immediately after being knocked down.

Just remember: the final boss will take about three times that to defeat.

I'll bet losing sucks really hard then.

Final boss has a cheap move that can inflict any status ailment. So, if you get charmed...

Better hope it wasn't one of your healers. Or that your turn comes up first.

Every character except Junpei and maybe Koromaru learn Diarahan, so...

Better hope it was Junpei.

Junpei sucks in The Journey, so he probably wouldn't be in your party to begin with.

He's not that bad, I'm pretty sure he has the highest strength and endurance stats at least.

Aegis has the highest endurance, but his strength may be higher. His main problem is that all he has are offensive skills, between melee and very weak magic. Junpei also has the problem of having an awful weakness that is exploited constantly in the first half of the game. Aegis lacks magic, but she has a few better physical skills (namely Akasha Arts), She learns Diarahan and for all it's worth, learns Ma-buffs later on which "halp" against the normally very hard final boss.

He is pretty useful in The Answer, where his stats are extremely high and where he's the only unit who is very strong in melee combat. But he falls short in The Journey.

I really want to use Thor but Odin just completely outclasses him in almost every way. <_<

Thor has better resistances and it's easier to make him null physical attacks, and with Null Slash, Thor is completely invincible in the Stasis Giants fight. Though considering that Odin is the best persona in the game, for regular and long term use, Odin is infinitely better.

Thor is pretty much beaten out in anything he's good at by Odin, Siegfried, and Melchizedek, so I don't even use him anymore.


And I'm up to World Balance now, almost to Nyx's descent. D:

World Balance is pretty overrated in difficulty. On expert mode, he can be somewhat difficult, though he's perfectly manageable with a proper setup, kind of like the Sleeping Table. He's pretty crappy on normal, though.

World Balance is easy enough if you use personas with no weakness. Last time I tripped at the end though and he managed to kill me. <_<

You have... two more until Jotun of Grief. UREDY

sureiguess

Beat Jotun of Grief first try tbqh.

Getting charmed by Nyx=RAGE FFFFFFFFFF


Awesome fight though, like the remix of the Velvet Room music.

Aren't you obsessed with leveling up all of your characters anyway? Under those terms, a party of Yukari, Aegis and Ken would destroy the Jotun, but try fighting him with only you and Aegis. :3

By the way, use Metis.

With keeping levels balanced yeah, but everyone is underleveled now and none of my partners know Mediarahan which is making Nyx Avatar really difficult. >_>

I shall be grinding until I get that, then trying again. At least when I can play again, I'm busy right now.

If you want to be a cheap **** and make the job a bit quicker, you can...

- Give Odin every card you have.
- Take on the Reaper.
- Set your party on knock down.
- Abuse Thunder Reign (100% chance of shock).
- Have the rest of your party use normal attacks and decline every all-out attack.
- Repeat until the Reaper dies.

If this is FES, this will unlock Monad, which is the ultimate location to grind. The generic encounters WILL be dangerous due to the fact that you're going to range between 25-30 levels of difference, so you will miss a lot. Still, it's easy to kill the enemies there, and they give immense amounts of EXP.

Of course, if no following character can attack before the Reaper gets its turn, grind until that changes.

I tried fighting the Reaper, my party was too slow so he moved immediately after I stunned him and killed everyone but me. <_<


Still, Mediaharan get, trying again.

SO THERE I WAS KICKING NYX AVATAR'S ASS WHEN SUDDENLY CRITICAL ATTACK'D 500 DAMAGE INSTANT DEATH


I guess I'll try again tomorrow.

In my first playthrough, I ended up grinding to level 90 in Monad well before the 31st, so... >_>

cheater

Surprisingly enough, the final boss is astoundingly easy when your entire party ranges 11-15 levels higher and when they're geared with weapons with 400 power, 99 acc and an effect that boosts all of their stats by 10. >_>

I also took out both of the bosses preceding the final boss with Armageddon. Then again, they're weak to begin with and just take too long, so it's fairly justified.

Only 6000 experience from the last boss? Really?


Anyways, success is mine, next I shall start The Answer.

Use Metis. I cannot stress this enough.

I refuse to just because you're telling me to.

MISCELLANEOUS STATS

Party for final boss-

Minato
Mitsuru
Yukari
Akihiko

Final Personas-

Surt
Odin
Norn
Kohryu
Thanatos
Yurlungur
Attis (never actually used though)
Susano-o
Melchizedek

Final Level-77

Yeah, there's a scene late into the answer where Metis is the only playable party member, so if you didn't use her, you're screwed.

Besides, she has no weaknesses and access to two elements in combat. She's an even better version of Shinjiro.

Somehow I'm thinking she's more like Shinjiro than that and you just want me to waste time using her. <_<

No, she's a permanent member. She is the opposite of Shinjiro in availability. >_>

Also, I explicitly warned against using Shinjiro. Why would I want to trip you here?

Well okay then. I haven't started it yet and wont be doing so until this weekend anyways.

WE'VE ENTERED AN ENDLESS RECURSION OF TIME

I've instantly lost interest in The Answer and started New Game+ on Hard Mode. <_< I guess I'll do both simultaneously. Really I just want to go get Persona 4 now.

The Answer sucks, plain and simple. It's just a generic RPG without anything that made Persona 3 fun or interesting. >_>

And yes, get Persona 4. But take it to another topic; Persona 4 isn't a Shin Megami Tensei game.

elaborate

It has a universally happy ending. Not a bittersweet one. It also lacks a dark atmosphere even in the end game.

Good game regardless, but for an SMT game, it's really... yeah.

A different tone does not make for a different series. <_<

It's mainly a joke. But even so, Persona 4 is nothing like an SMT game.

The gameplay looks pretty similar.

In a main SMT game, where the games have miniscule story (but the trends that I mentioned are present), that might be valid, but generally speaking, the gameplay is not the most important aspect in Persona 3/4. Then again, neither is the story in a broad sense, though the story does contain everything that surrounds and gives depth to the game.

Besides, I challenge you to admit that the gameplay was the best part of Persona 3. And I'm not talking about Social Links, which was basically an integration of story and gameplay: I'm talking about standalone gameplay.

I wont say it's the best part, but it is one of the things I really liked. And doesn't Persona 4 have social links also anyways?

Yes, but what does that have anything to do with my previous post?

...Nothing. >_> ANYWAYS if I bother to make constant posts about the game I'm doing it in this topic regardless.

whatever

Now go pirate it or whatever you do.

Nah, I'll probably buy it. I am pirating Nocturne though. <_<

Buy it and brag about managing to do so.

The reason I'm pirating it is it's apparently hard to get. I would buy it if I saw it though.

Exactly why I suggested buying it as a collector's item.

Devil Survivor is awesome

Now playing Nocturne, just entered Ginza. More to come maybe.

The Matador is a wimp. Just make sure you have Uzume and someone who knows Sukukaja and Rakukaja.

Beat Troll with only letting him attack once by using Pulinpa. I have yet to see this Matador.

Next boss. I also like how you referred to Matador as "this Matador," considering how hyped up he is as a really, extraordinarily hard boss on sites like TvTropes.

Well now I've seen him and he killed me pretty hard, but it seems like it'll be easy enough to just get a team of force-resistant demons.

Only need one. Establishing a team of force-related demons hurts you for the next boss (of any importance, at least) Thor. Like I said, just make sure you have Uzume and focus on spamming Rakukaja and maybe Sukukaja on the side.

Or I could do what I'm doing and not grind to level 19. <_< Though I may end up there anyways.

You'll really want Uzume, though. Force absorb and has access to Media. And let me tell you this, avoiding grinding or putting effort into anything is a great way to get yourself killed here.

*looks around*

Found this on the internet.

http://megaten.aeriagames.com/playnow?utm_source=google&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=mtus&gclid=CPnio5aHqZ0CFRYhDQodADnehw

*Exits*

What.

Ew, MMORPGs.

Beat Matador at level 16, in your face grinding.

Nobody cares, DB.

And just how many times did it take, Ahriman? >_>

Didn't think anyone would.

Like six or seven tries. And that still took less time then it probably would have to grind.

Well. Good luck with Thor. >_>

Also, should I bother going through the Amala Labrinth now or is that something I can just do all at once near the end of the game?

The generic encounters will kill you right now, doubtlessly. You may want to continue on progressively, but you can do it only up until the final dungeon.

Goddamn Thor is awesome. And yeah he killed me, but that was largely due to lack of preparation. <_<

Do you see what I meant? This game will kill you if you're not prepared. You can prepare in a rough sense with a functional skill set and a balance of weaknesses, which will help a lot. Though to be entirely honest, even that won't save you from bosses whose gimmick is say, instant 100% kill on a unit without a certain element nulled. Just be thankful that's not Thor. >_>

Also, the water magatama will teach you Fog Breath soon enough. When it's available (level 22), make sure you get it.

My Inugami has Fog Breath and I used it on him. I think he still only missed once. <_< I can do some massive damage to him and got him down to what I assume is the final "phase" if you could even call it that, but then Inugami's MP ran low and I couldn't use Media any more so I ended up dead. Are there any demons up to around my level that nullify electricity?

Raiju at level 25 is the only one in the general level area, but that's absurdly extreme outside of hard mode. If you actually want to reach this extreme, you may also want Kikuri-Hime at level 24 with both Media/Diarama and nulls nerve/mind skills (which is very helpful against Daisoujou, an optional boss that is coming up).

You'll really want to separate your [de]buffers from healers, hell, you might want to assign a specific monster to healing exclusively. Though if this cannot be reached, try to stock up on chakra drops from the store in the Ginza Underpass.

Just beat Thor but my emulator crashed upon entering the terminal to save so I have to do it again. D:

Woof, just look at this activity, how heart warming to see this not deas as I assumed.

Anywho, been playing SMT: Persona(remake of Revelations).  So far, it isn't that bad.  The combat is a bit repitive, and the encounter rate on the map is a bit ridiculous, but nothing that would stop me from playing it.

Currently running around aimlessly in the Mana Castle/Castle Mana.

The "activity" in this topic is basically just me blogging my progress in whatever and Maniac telling me how I suck. <_<

SPEAKING OF WHICH I beat Thor again pretty easily, then beat Dante pretty easily.

The next boss is... Ose? Hope you have Fog Breath.

I do. I'm fighting Daisoujou first though. Just fought him and right when he was about to die my main guy got confused and he managed to kill me.

Hope you have Kikuri-Hime in your party.

I didn't but now I've won anyways.

It's nice either way.

It has come to my attention that this game does have a demon named Ahriman, and it seems it's rather powerful. I will make this a part of my final team if it's at all possible despite how my main guy is already named Ahriman.

Although it looks like you can't get him. <_<

Easily beat Ose on the first try. lolboss didn't have Dekaja or Dekunda which makes it really easy to just completely buff yourself and debuff him.

Ose has Dekaja/Dekunda. >_>

He becomes a "lets see how quickly I can wipe the floor with this ****er" battle with a nice array of good skills. Of course, without War Cry or Fog Breath, he can easily kill you on hard mode, but the same can be said of plenty of bosses.

And no, Ahriman cannot be used, much like every boss in the final dungeon minus Thor.

Does he? He never used them then. <_<

GHOST RIDER WHAT

Hell Exhaust is an awesome attack. Otherwise, Hell Biker is a ****ty monster and for a fiend, a ****ty party member.

But he's a goddamn skeleton with a flaming motorcycle.

Not as pimping as the Matador, not as awesome as the Pale Rider.

fail

Got Matador, olo lots of immunities and no weaknesses.

Fiends make amazing party members for those reasons on top of nice skill sets. Most notable is Daisoujou, who is the #1 healer in the game due to the combination of meditation and prayer, on top of getting him pretty early. A team of Red Rider, Trumpeter and Daisoujou functions very efficiently.

Some fiends don't really age too well though. Matador is nice for a while, but falls short eventually, and Hell Biker falls short almost immediately.

I must've killed about a dozen Virtues in the White Rider fight. That experience adds up. <_<

I hate the White Rider, especially on ****ing hard mode. Nothing quite like being forced into a battle when your party is half dead and on its way to the infirm. >_>

You feel a strong presence here. Do you want to stay?> No.
YOU CANNOT ESCAPE


rage

And I have no idea how you're supposed to just know you should go into the fight with Ongyo-whateveritwas when Kagutsuchi is full.

Ongyo-Ki is not mandatory, so the developers can do whatever they want. >_>

That's pretty lame tbqh. Still knowing what to do makes it incredibly easy.

The very same thing applies for fighting Mara, by the way.

lolmara

I didn't even know it was in this game.

Easy to miss. The room it appears in is well hidden in the hub of sorts in Shibuya, and the event only activates at a certain Kagatsuchi phase as well.

Mara is also unusable for some reason.

lawlcawk

With tentacles. Riding a chariot.

It spews out white fog in Shin Megami Tensei II.

I lol'd when I first saw that delicious thing.

The Moirae Sisters were pathetic. I could swear these bosses are getting easier. >_>

Out of curiosity, are you using a guide?

Only to find things like where the next fiend is or any other optional thing. I don't use the boss strategies at all, but I needed to check to figure out where the Black Rider was.

You also used it for a strategy against Ongyo-Ki, though. Not that I can blame you, though that does make me suspicious. Virtually every boss is easy if you know how to defeat them ahead of time. And since the only good thing about this game is the difficulty and demon collecting aspects, the former of which only exists through not being prepared and the latter found everywhere, this game isn't worth playing otherwise.

You've got seven, potentially eight bosses that can at least barely put up a challenge if you're not prepared. Four are optional and I won't say their names; go get them.

I did look up what to do with Ongyo-Ki after he destroyed me once, yes. >_> There was obviously some stupid trick there though.

What's your party and MC's skill set?

MC's skill set-

Life Bonus
Mana Bonus
Hellfire
Ice Breath
Tornado
Shock
Focus
Fog Breath

Party-

Matador
Daisoujou
Hell Biker
Raja Naga
Kushinada
Orthruss
Ose
Onkot

Shikome
Power


Guys under the space are just being held but not used in any way.

In recent news, the Third Kalpa was intense. <_<

Fourth kalpa is worse. Did you enter the cursed space in the second kalpa?

THROUGH SAVE STATE ABUSE


Yes I did. <_< I swear that's the one time I used save states though. It's generally a bad idea to use them because it causes the emulator to screw up.

About 50% of the fourth kalpa is comprised of cursed zones. It may not have level 70 enemies, but they're still strong enough to kill you, especially when you have one hit point.

oboy

I DEMAND THAT YOU GET ON AIM SO THAT I MAY PESTER YOU OVER NOCTURNE IN REAL TIME

I would have to go download AIM then. And no.

wait wut

and **** you. I want to mock you over every detail of your failures.

Oh, you must assume that I have AIM because my profile says I do. I have an account on AIM, but it's been ages since I've been on.

Update, so I can bother you about how many times you'll die!

And of my progress in making a new super party in Nocturne!

Profile updated for topicality. Not as fabulous as Minato unfortunately.


Last thing I did was kill Spectre and find Isamu to ultimately accomplish nothing like everything I do. >_>

You have one more fight with Spectre.

Fun fact, though: Spectre is not a usable monster. I have no idea why not.

And suddenly all of that 250000 macca is gone due to the Sophia and other two new magatama. <_<

Went to Gamestop to get Persona 4. They didn't have it. Rage.

angry raeg

Is there any other kind?


But really I don't know where I'm supposed to find it now. I guess I'll have to try another Gamestop.

lolwut @ Mara-slime


I'm guessing the trick is to take him out in one round? >_>

Apparently 4 Tarukajas + 2 Taunts + Focus + Divine Shot = 2600 damage


Success.

Or wait until he runs out of MP. Which is insanely long, boring and flat-out dangerous in hard mode courtesy of bolstered enemy crit-rates and mother-****ing Hades Blast.

It has recently occurred to me that Prayer is inheritable. <_<


Progress report-Just finished up the Amala Temple.

THREE WEAK BOSSES

And Spectre. Again.

Skadi and Aciel actually killed me a few times. Not Albion though, he failed pretty hard. >_>


Now up to Trumpeter.

I have no idea how you could die to Skadi on normal, since you get a warning message before she uses Earthquake. Aciel maybe, if he decides to screw you over after Sol Niger, but that's what Fog Breath is for.

Trumpeter is the second most overrated boss in difficulty. And all of the bosses in the Diet Building sans maybe one are pathetic as well. Hell, Mithra in the Diet Building is the easiest boss in the entire game, bar absolutely nobody else.

Also, Albion makes an awesome party member, but the boss sucks. Aciel and Skadi are meh, but they're in my custom god tier party along with Kali for some reason.

Well I didn't know that she would use Earthquake the first time. <_< Aciel killed me because he attacked me after Sol Niger, yeah. Most deaths are just a result of not knowing what's coming the first try.

So, how was Trumpeter?

Wait, Prayer is inheritable?  It never seemed to be for me...

Anyways, Playing Persona still.

My own Progress report(though I don't think anyone here has actually played it): Just entered Deva Yuga, where I will get to fight a fun spoilerific boss, and his Lovecraftian horror pal.

Killed me three times, two of those times because I forgot to take off that Magatama that's weak to all magic, one because of Evil Melody. I'll try again tomorrow, I should be going to sleep anyways.


When I sacrificed Daisoujou while fusing Loki he inherited Prayer, so apparently it is.

I'd probably just keep it on however the **** you spell his name, but it is nice to know.  Maybe I will try to get it on another demon.

Is meditation(or whatever) inheritable?  Or do you not know?

I doubt it, since Daisoujou has a special unique animation when he uses it.

Ah, makes sense...

On an unrelated note, nice new profile.

It's unique to Daisoujou unfortunately, which is a shame when said Daisoujou has a completely nonfunctional moveset from way back when. (FIGHTING THE FINAL BOSS WITH MARAGI!)

That's why I created someone new for healing, Daisoujou's stats and abilities are starting to fall behind to the point where the only thing he has going for him is Meditation.

Stats ultimately really aren't important. For this reason, Daisoujou could easily be used to take on the TDE final boss.

I assumed that by then he'd be deficient in HP and defense to the point that he'd be killed in one hit and therefore useless. <_<

By absolutely no means so long as he's sufficiently leveled. And he will be upon preparation for the TDE. Though if you're going for any other ending, you may not be inclined to grind him, and he can potentially die to the normal route final boss's super move.

I intend to go for the TDE, but really I don't feel like leveling him a lot and I'm sure others will suffice.

Others will suffice, though they won't be as self-sufficent, which is basically what makes him notable in the first place. It doesn't hurt much to not use him, though. As a pre-packaged unit, he's pretty much the best full-time healer. Of course, if you want to make a custom party, he does fall short due to lacking decent moves.

Well, I just beat P3...finally. Apparently, I raped it so hard in the ass that it gave me the ending where I don't die. Funny, I never actually thought that was one.

I'm pretty sure there's not. You must've broken the game or something.

With my awesomeness? I'm not quite sure, but I definitely didn't get any proof of my death, and even got a cutscene of the graduation with me there.

It should've been heavily implied at the end that you died. The moment you die the credits start up. It doesn't really make sense that there could be an alternate ending where you live. <_<

All it had was a dialog where I get sleepy and then it gives me an option to close my eyes.

Yeah, you died. Or rather your soul turned into the barrier to seal off Nyx or something according to The Answer.

That makes no sense, though. I already sealed Nyx a month before that happened.

Through an act of total bull**** his soul inexplicably managed to hang on to his body just long enough to be around for Graduation Day when everyone remembers what happens.

You get that ending too?

Well yeah. There's only two endings, and that's the good one. The bad one happens if you choose to kill Ryoji on the penultimate full moon.

AHRNAHAHM

UPDATE

I beat Trumpeter and my game crashed as I was entering a terminal. I haven't played since. <_< Mostly due to being busy though. Today I've got time but I've been working on P3FES New Game+, just to get all the personas. Apparently it was a bad idea to go hard mode on that because it ramps up the prices in the Compendium.

Lawl. I got 100% on my first run through. Good thing, too.

That sounds like a rather unenjoyable first run.

No point in playing hard more in P3FES's New Game+. >_>

I assume there is if I intend to fight Elizabeth at least. <_<

Currently attempting the Fourth Kalpa. Details when either I win or I die.

BEELZEBUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB D:<


Total BS Death Flies attack ****ed me over.

I am curious to know what this topic is about because it is large and I have no idea what it concerns.

RPG series.

Also, Beelzebub is the second hardest boss in the game, easily.

And the hardest is Lucifer I'm guessing?

Yeah. Lucifer has a bull**** critical rate even on normal, so imagine how bad it is on hard. >_>

Extraordinarily good AI, too.

Oh. I have gained immense insight now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei

Not sure what else to explain. The topic at the moment is basically just me talking about my progress in SMT Nocturne though. <_<

That actually helps.

SIDE QUEST TIME!

Have you defeated Black Frost yet?


What I said was all you needed to know, douche.

There's some truth to this, but it wasn't all I wanted to know.

Like as soon as I was able to, yeah. I forget what level I need to be on to actually create him though.

You can't create him.

He appears in the third kalpa after killing him and reaching level 66. He automatically joins.

huh

Well I'm level 62 so it doesn't matter at the moment.

You have no idea how long killing Beelzebub takes with lag. <_< I WIN THOUGH HAHA

And then Lucy comes along and pwns you.

****ing Data Execution Prevention wont let me get through the Fifth Kalpa.

And in my attempts to fix this I've managed to find some options to get the game running 100% at all times so I've been wasting my time sitting through lag the entire game. <_< Still crashing though, and I have no idea why.

Can't take nearly as long as fighting Noah with two elemental spells.

howz da diet buildin huh

I haven't gone to it yet, I want to finish the Fifth Kalpa first.

mkay

BTW, it's heads.

I know, I've done it multiple times now. The emulator keeps crashing while I'm inside the Fifth Kalpa so I keep having to go back, presumably because it's using too much CPU even though it doesn't seem like it would take any more than the other Kalpa.

It... is pretty short, and there's nothing really about it that isn't in other floors. Does it crash in a particular floor or room, or is it just haphazard?

Well, have fun fighting Metatron with the emulator constantly crashing. >_>

It usually crashes while I'm going down a ladder, but it'll crash when I'm just walking around It's never crashed in the middle of a fight though so fighting Metatron shouldn't be a problem as long as it doesn't crash immediately after. <_<

Perhaps you should finish the Diet Building before trying again. >_>

Got the emulator to run and got up to Metatron, he killed me due to my lack of anyone with Dekaja. <_<

Win. Extreme luck caused him to never use Dekaja on me and take down my defense so I was able to survive.

Metatron is easy, d00d. >_>

Anyway, have fun with Diet Building. Most bosses per map size; medium length dungeon with five of them. >_>

This game should really stop throwing bosses at me from out of nowhere. I was just trying to go through a door and suddenly I'm attacked by Surt with no warning. He was pathetic, but really. <_<



No Dekaja, so he could use Makakaja to max out his magic and use Fire of Sinai for massive damage and I didn't feel like going back and getting a light-resistant demon that did have Dekaja.

Fire of Sinai can be dodged, so Fog Breath and innate durability pretty much nulls the real danger from that combination. Also, the Diet Building is filled with bosses like that, though all but one completely suck.

wuts yer pahtee

In Active Party-
Me
Scathatch
Throne
Albion

On hold-
Dante
White Rider
Red Rider
Black Rider
Pale Rider
Black Frost
Girimekahla
Clotho
Garuda

aww yeah, Albion.

Null physical **** yeah. Although Girimekahla can reflect physical, but his stats suck.

Albion compensates with null ice, and since he's an evolution, he has more techniques to learn. Easier to gain than Girimehkala to boot.

There's also Rangda, but she has a weakness, so lol Rangda. Mada as well, though I believe he learns Debilitate, which makes him decent.

Now in the Tower of Kagutsuchi, I have no idea how to get around here. >_>

Ahriman was absolutely pathetic. I'm highly disappointed.

I'm highly unsurprised.

yeahwellshutup

Apparently Noah can't be pierced. >_>

lolthor

Pierce doesn't affect repel physical.

Third Reason boss is the hardest. Have fun.

Taking a break before Baal Avatar to do the Masakado sidequest. I was not counting on those bosses to have so much HP. >_>

I find it odd how Chiaki of all people is the friendliest before combat. Ahriman is arrogant and indignant, Noah is whiny and vengeful, Baal Avatar basically says "do your best, because I sure will." She's also by far the strongest. >_>

Then again, Chiaki is the best of the Reason leaders, soyeah.

She also has the worst Reason.

Baal Avatar was pretty easy. The only thing she really had going for her was that fly curse attack, but all my demons now are previous bosses so lol status ailments.


THE END IS NIGH.

Kagutsuchi was easy. I did pretty well against Lucifer, up until I ran out of MP recovery items so I couldn't heal anymore. >_>

GAME SET

Won on the second try. It wasn't that hard but still probably the hardest boss in the game.

STATS-

Final Party (didn't change through the entire final fights)-

Demifiend
Uriel
Aciel
Thor

On hold-
Clotho (for out of battle healing only)
Skadi
Albion
Black Frost
Pale Rider
The Harlot
Trumpeter
Dante

Final skillset for Demifiend-

Freikugel
Pierce
Focus
Life Surge
Mana Surge
Hellfire
Bolt Storm
Megidolaon

Final Level-82, boosted to 84 by the experience from Lucifer.

Curse attacks are the least blocked status ailment, so if you don't have them on one of your monsters... Not to mention that Ose has access to Diarahan, so if you can't churn out enough damage, which is not really plausible if all of your monsters are flies, well... >_>

Also, Shijima is the worst reason. You're barely sentient under Shijima, all you are is a mindless cog. It's like a demonic form of a Confucianist government. Yosuga actually lets you be your own person, even if it's for a short while before Chiaki kills you. Isamu's Reason is still the best, but not only does it still suck, Isamu is the most retarded character in the story, soyeah.

Hopefully you're at level 95, since that's the bare minimum for having access to Pierce on your party.

The best option is obviously destroying the universe anyways, no need for Reasons.



If you read my last post you'd know I was over 10 levels below that and won anyways.

I somehow missed those. >_>

How long did it take to beat Lucifer? >_>

20-30 minutes. All of my partners had Debilitate, two had Mediarahan, and I made sure to get off a focused Freikugel every turn. He only used Dekunda once.

NEEDS TO BE FINISHED IN 5 MINUTES

Also, the theme that played during that battle was amazing, no?

It was indeed. lol finishing that fight in 5 minutes. There's no way I would grind to level 95 just to make it so my allies are more than support, that would just be overkill.

So, what next?

I dunno. I was hoping I would have Persona 4 by now. <_< I have SMTII on here, maybe I'll start that up. I also recently learned that Persona 2 had an unofficial proper translation so maybe I'll get that. I'm done with this game though. If I ever play it again it'll be if I actually own it.

Now obtaining Persona 2-Innocent Sin. I have no idea what the difference is between it and Eternal Punishment, but I don't think EP has an unofficial translation.

Edit-Looked it up, apparently they're two halves on one game or something. And apparently EP's translation isn't as bad as the first Persona's, so if I finish this I guess I'll follow it with that.

I was bored today, so I picked up Persona 3 FES and tried to get through the Hierophant and Lovers arcana bosses which ticked me off so much before.

I was clearly deranged at the time and suprised I did not try to kill everyone in such a state of insanity. Seriously what is up with those bosses. The first one can screw over most plans with fear which always seems to effect MC, always, and such a absurd amount of criticals I'm shocked when it doesn't get one in. Lovers has charm. And Heartbreaker. And last time killed me when it was one hit away from death. ;_;

I think most people have a solution to this. It's called grinding, getting better Personae, and choosing the right teammates.

i didn't read this and am gonna act elitist

Also, the worst teammate you could use here is forced, so...

Stock up on Dis-charms, leave Yukari as a dedicated healer. If you need another use yourself as a healer also. Leave Junpei and Akihiko to attack.

I'll try again and grind up some more next time, I usally do grind up in most RPGs if I have such troubles rather then going BAWWWWW at the problem, but grinding in Persona 3 is one of my least liked activities.

Grinding is Persona 3 is also almost entirely unnecessary. You really don't need to grind. <_<

Except for money and new Personae. Which are almost the same thing, given Compendium costs and slot restrictions.

It was very rare that I was actually forced to stop and just kill things. The only time I remember that being necessary was for Sleeping Table because it's pretty much impossible to win that fight without Mediarama.

I was talking about money grinding. Or item runs, or whatever the **** it is YOU did to get cash.

I got money naturally, I never grinded for it until my second run when I was going for everything. <_<

Hm. Well I suppose that I had to grind because I did everything on my first one. >_>

I had to grind once in P3, mainly because I was so retardedly underleveled that even generic encounters were 15 levels over me. And yet I still had no trouble with bosses.

PERSONA 4 GET


I wont have access to a PS2 until Monday though.

Persona 4 is better than P3 is every aspect except the ending, so enjoy.

It also has a significantly more balanced difficulty that's legitimately tough without going into bullshit difficulty territory. That said, it's significantly easier than both P3 and Nocturne, though that's probably a good thing.

Most of the difficulty in P3 and Nocturne was because of bull**** anyways, so that's all good though slightly disappointing.

...you know, with that said, I'm gonna turn on my elitist functions and say that anyone who actually thinks that P4 is hard really needs to play more RPGs. >_>

Now listening to the PERSONA 4 SOUNDTRACK DISC. <_<

The Almighty is the best song on the soundtrack.

I am somehow still awake due to Persona 2. It's pretty good though completely different from the other SMT games I've played.

Just started, now watching some FMV stuff on TVs.

> So, you're going to visit your uncle for the next year!
> But first, would you like to see a 15 year old girl in a bikini?

Pretty much what I thought. <_<

Hey, it's fanservice for all of the Kugimiya Rie fans out there. If they're playing the undub/original, that is.

Does this even have the option of the original voices?


This teacher guy is great.

No.

And Mr. Morooka is the greatest character in the game.

Every day's great at your Junes~

Nanako's english voice actor is the same one as Aegis'. Notice how Nanako sounds MORE ROBOTIC THAN AEGIS.

I've kinda been skipping over her dialogue because it rapes my ears. >_> Would Fuuka's voice actor happen to be in this too?

No. But Karen Straussman does her best impression of her that she can as Nanako.

You might hate Teddie's VA, since a lot of people do. Same thing with Rise, the only Kugamiya Rie character ever who doesn't yell urusai over and over again.

Why does Teddie have special glasses that fit on human eyes if he's the only thing could've possibly used them if nothing else lives around him?

It... could be handwaved by a later event that is a character spoiler, but that's such a minor bout of fridge logic that by that point, it doesn't matter.

Holy crap I just now am at the first fight. Did P3 take this long to set up? I can't remember.

Your first boss is right now as well, but that doesn't mean you're finished with this cruise control ****.

How long has it been? P3 was only like one or two hours into it before the first actual fight.

I started playing 2 hours ago, but I had dinner in between.


Teddie's voice isn't that annoying, and it's at least fitting considering what he is. He's a much less annoying support than Fuuka at least.

His voice isn't terrible actually, but many people have problems with it. Hell, it's picked at by professional reviewers of all things.

Also, you need to play Suikoden V. Wanna know how long it takes for the game to actually start? 10 HOURS.

srsly


Suikoden II takes like 30 hours to 100%. <_<

Actually, you can't get 100% without making it to the final dungeon in 20 hours game time, so... >_>

Ignoring Clive's quest. I doubt it's possible to get every character and complete Clive's quest, so if you count it it's impossible to 100% the game anyways.

Not many characters are actually missable, so... >_>

You miss every character if you don't get them before attacking that kingdom with the royal knights who's name I forget.

Forgot about that, since that point literally only existed because the events in Rockaxe would have made it impossible to recruit some characters. >_>

Even so, not many characters you recruit require you to go out of your way to get them, except Pesmerga, Hix/Tengaar and a few others.

Dragon knight and quiet guy require you to do an entire extra dungeon and they're missable. Until I see a run of someone completing the game with every character in under 20 hours I will stand by what I said. This is pretty off topic. <_<

BP.

I have now actually entered the first dungeon. <_<

I miss the structure of Tartarus. I hated how P4 managed dungeons and time management.

P3's AI is retarded. >_>

I'm fighting Erebus, and rely on Yukari for healing. The threshold is way past the point where she should be using Mediarahan, she has more than enough MP to do so, she throws a healing powder. Erebus uses Phanta Rei on Junpei, then finishes off the party with Mabufudyne.

jeanyus

That same thing almost killed me against Nyx Avatar. Thankfully he didn't use Night Queen or I would've lost. For whatever reason they stop using spells to heal past 100 MP or so. Thankfully P4 just lets me directly control guys.

Which difficulty are you playing P4 on again?

Normal. Mostly because I'm guessing Hard is going to require more grinding.

Normal is retardedly easy, though. >_>

Oh well. I'll play Hard some other time maybe. <_<

Yukiko's Shadow keeps killing me. <_< Sure would be nice if the boss didn't have a strong fire attack or one of the only two allies I have didn't have a weakness to fire.

lol won with both allies dead.

"You begin to suspect the bowl is a portal to the Meat Dimension."


lolwut

I'm finding I run out of MP a lot faster in this game.

MP isn't restored when returning to the hub, so you should be thinking that. >_>


You should have used Sukukaja. >_>


It's where that fat **** Hanako came from.

Beat Kanji's Shadow. That was quite a long boss fight. <_<

wtf that is not Take-Mikazuchi.

Take your pick: Kanji, who emphasizes one enemy attacks while backing them up with high level Zio magic, or Chie who emphasizes all enemy physical attacks with low level ice magic (Stops at Bufula) and Power Charge. Both are perfectly usable and can be substituted with each other. The only bad character is Naoto.


No it is not. Kind of looks lame, too. His evolved form looks sorta cool, though.

Lame. I'll use Kanji.

Chie has a much higher magic stat than Kanji, so while Mabufu cannot compare with Maziodyne, it will do a sizable chunk in comparison to Kanji's Maziodyne for a fourth of the MP cost. Not to mention that Kanji only has magic for all enemy attacks, while Chie gets the powerful Agneyastra. Kanji's main hook is Primal Force, not his high level magic.

Lolz, it's Akihiko, but with sexual confusion issues.

And with a different character and personality, more physical emphasis, no debuffs, etc.

In other words, nothing like Akihiko. >_>

Primal Force kicks ass though and I have no idea what Agneyastra is. I'll be using both anyways. Right now it seems like the most expendable party member is Yosuke. <_<

Kanji doesn't get Power Charge while Chie does, along with the -inferior-but-still-good God's Hand. And Agneyastra is a high level all enemy attack.

And Yosuke is the best party member. I have no idea what you're talking about. >_>

Bishie Teddy.

Yosuke doesn't have any skills that really stand out outside of Dekaja. Otherwise it's basic stuff, his next skill is Tentarafoo which I never use, and I don't know what he gets after that.

NOW SALTY IS RANDOMLY BLURTING OUR RANDOM REFERENCES TO THE GAME THAT HE FOUND ON TVTROPES

Sukukaja, adds another element to the mix, great mage, good stats, decent for healing at the moment, learns Brave Blade, Masukukaja and Magarudyne. And Tentarafoo will save your life, moreso for people playing on Expert. >_>

lolwut

Tentarafoo sucks. Always has.

Well it sounds like he eventually becomes good, but right now he's the worst party member.

...wat. lol @ newbie acting high and mighty over something completely wrong.

There are so many enemies without weaknesses and who are dangerous. But not many generics in Persona 3/4 are immune to stun, so Tentarafoo supplements for the their lack of weakness by putting them out of battle for a bit. Some bosses aren't immune as well, so many of those hard bosses in Tartarus? They could be made so much easier by using Tentarafoo.


I had more problems with Chie, especially mid game where she fails to learn many useful skills due to her lack of high level magic.

Prediction-Morooka is the killer. <_<

There are no words for how wrong you are.

Obviously. He's too much of a joke character to be.

No, there's even more to how wrong you are. Just wait until July.

How can I be more wrong than completely wrong?

Dead wrong.

Damn wrong.

You will see.

So, hey. Isn't the killer Adachi?

NO HE'S that guy chosen by the goddess

YOU BETTER NOT SPOIL IT FOR ME OMAR

Do you need to post that? >_>

YES

Ahh, so the killer is the goddess?

... figured so. It's still kinda... uh...

Well, that's only for the first murders, though.

You're only posting those for the sake of tempting Ahriman to look at them, not for someone to verify those questions. Stop being a ****.

It's what I do.

Plus actually I needed to check that.

By the way, this is not a spoiler, just doing what Maniac said I was doing, heh.

Oh, of course he was. But more importantly, did you know character #1 is actually character #2's father?

Could someone remove these two douchebags? Even if their conversation is babble, they're still polluting the topic.

God I feel like I should stop checking this topic until I'm done with the game now. <_<

Okay, just joking. Kubo killed Morooka.

*stops*

That is real.

Now, has anybody played the original version?

The fact that it's M rated in the US and B in Japan kinda makes me think there's something in between that.

BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE CHECKING.

Shadow Teddie was surprisingly really badass.

Of course when Morooka dies in a way that's inconsistent with everyone else's deaths nobody even considers that it could've been a different murderer.

Basic mystery blindness.

Nihilism is not badass, kiddo.

you're not badass

nournt

Mitsuo's Shadow is dead. He restored the 8-bit hero guy 3 times during the fight, I didn't even know you could stop it until near the end. <_<

take it easy

Everyone goes on and on about how hard that boss is on normal difficulty of all things. I kicked his ass incredibly quickly on Expert mode, thxmch

Also, after the next dungeon, get ready for the longest downtime in the entire game.

I probably would've lost if I didn't use my Soma tbh.

Eh, what can you do? I ended up using one against Shadow Teddie of all bosses. >_>

Though even if you did, you wouldn't have had any trouble at all the next time you fought him. I'm talking about people jobbing over and over.

lol Gekkoukan High visit.

Hot....damn, I can't remember the Justice chick's name.

Chihiro. And yes she was suddenly hot. Dunno why they included only her amongst all of the P3 characters.

Second best part of the game, and proof that this game is so much better than P3. All P3 had was Chihiro versus Yuko and Operation Babe Hunt. Neither of those compared to THIS.


She's a yandere and a meganekko. What else do you need?

I figured as long as they were referencing the previous game they might as well have thrown in more random characters. <_<

Well, most of the named characters had already graduated or in Ken's case, haven't even reached the high school level, and it's not really plausible to add them all. Chihiro is the only person who is valid to add since she's the only student who you converse with who is still there during the game. And hey, Edogawa was there!

Edogawa is about the last person I wanted to see. And I think Fuuka would've still been there. >_>

Indeed. Koromaru would've been lulz.

Edogawa was awesome, you naive ****.

And Fuuka was a junior during P3, much like everyone else. Just in a different room.

Wait a tick. P4's set in 2010, isn't it? Wouldn't all the juniors at the beginning of P3 still only be seniors?