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Title: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 06 September, 2008, 03:35:41 pm
Ok, browsing deviantArt and Fanfiction.net has recently exposed me to some particularly bad One Piece fan characters, and has made me want to rant about horrible One Piece fan characters.

First things first: Logia Fruits. You want a good clue that your new character is probably a Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu? You gave them a Logia fruit. Logia fruits are probably the most powerful Devil Fruits, so it's only natural that you would want one. But seriously, the problem becomes the Logia types people come up with. It's always some super powerful, rare element. Like I recently read a One Piece fanfic with a Color Color Logia Fruit. It basically made the user into the Green Lantern, only they could make things out of colors besides green. Plus, like other Logia users, they could presumably turn into color, whatever that would mean.

Now...look at that. Can you say "over powered'? Hell, "color" doesn't make sense as an element! If there was a Color Color Fruit, it would probably be a Paramecium! NOT A LOGIA FRUIT!

And while we're on the subject of Logia Fruits, let me mention something that seems popular. The Mizu Mizu Fruit, or Water Water Fruit. ....yes, a Devil Fruit that lets you turn into and control water. Despite the fact that water CANCELS OUT DEVIL FRUIT POWERS, apparently turning themselves into water would not do anything negative to the user. *facepalm* It's bad enough we have a canon "Ice Ice Fruit" when Ice is just frozen water, but seeing as how most anime and video games treat Ice and Water as separate elements, I can forgive that one.
But a Fruit that gives you power over the one thing that is supposed to cancel out all Devil Fruit powers? NO!

You know, that's my biggest complaint. And now that I've ranted about that, I'm going to stop ranting. But I'm going to close this by making a simple checklist to help anybody making a One Piece fan character determine whether or not their character is a Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu.

-is your character a Captain? (Can be forgiven if you're making an entire fan crew, since someone needs to be captain.)
-does you character have the "D" initial (The Will of D)?
-is your character a Logia devil fruit user?
-is your character related to an existing character? (Applies to all anime fandoms.)
-does your character develop a romantic relationship with a canon character? (Once again, all fandoms.)
-does your character have a bounty, and is so, how high is it? The higher your bounty, the more likely you're a Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu.
-does your character have a tragic backstory?
-are they looking for vengeance?
-are they super good looking, or alternately, super badass looking?


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Gotenks on 06 September, 2008, 03:39:45 pm
'k


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ahriman on 06 September, 2008, 04:23:45 pm
Summary-Fanfiction sucks, come up with your own ****ing idea.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 06 September, 2008, 04:33:18 pm
Now, I'm going to exposition here for a little bit, so you don't have to read if you don't want.

The reason that I created Catastrophix is so that I can avoid barriers. He is omnipresent. No matter which fanfic you put Catastrophix in, he is still himself. He shows up everywhere, laughing and creating mayhem and saving the day as he pleases. His express purpose is to be there for fanfics. He is the ultimate crossover character, because he shows up everywhere. His powers may be different, maybe even his clothes or backstory. But it's him.

And on another note, while I do agree with your concerns, you have to remember that all of the characters, even the ones from the original work, are fictional.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 06 September, 2008, 04:43:31 pm
Agreed.

Basically this rant can be used for all shows. DBZ, naruto, Bleach, Fairy tail, any series really.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Z911 on 06 September, 2008, 04:43:45 pm
I tend to dislike most fancharacters because they tend to be un-original(See Sonic fancharacters that are recolors or female) or made just so the author/artist can sex up a canon character without Pedophilia/Zoophilia(sp)/etc.

But some can be alright, Zulu was a black and yellow fox Sonic character(I was seven or eight mind you) before turning him into a fully original character with his own story, family tree, set of characters, worlds, etc.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 06 September, 2008, 05:08:23 pm
I tend to dislike most fancharacters because they tend to be un-original(See Sonic fancharacters that are recolors or female) or made just so the author/artist can sex up a canon character without Pedophilia/Zoophilia(sp)/etc.

But some can be alright, Zulu was a black and yellow fox Sonic character(I was seven or eight mind you) before turning him into a fully original character with his own story, family tree, set of characters, worlds, etc.
You know what the funny thing is? Catastrophix actually has his own story. I just stole him and modified him a little for the CoS.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Z911 on 06 September, 2008, 05:28:28 pm
Is he your own or someone elses?


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 06 September, 2008, 05:29:39 pm
Is he your own or someone elses?
Mine.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: IngSlayer on 06 September, 2008, 05:52:48 pm
ZR?

...

So, your name's ZeldaRan?


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 01:14:59 pm
ZR?

...

So, your name's ZeldaRan?

<_< No...it stands for ZeldaRant. It's supposed to be redundant. *made up on the spot*



Fan characters can be interesting when done right.

Right now, I'm in the process of making my own fan-crew for One Piece.

Of course, to avoid said things that bother me, I've taken some precautions.

While my fan-crew has heard of the Strawhat Pirates, they probably will never meet them, and in all honesty, don't care about their existence.

The captain technically isn't a Devil Fruit user (I say technically because she owns a sword with Devil Fruit powers, but she didn't eat one herself. Also, it's a Paramecium fruit. )

None of the other crew members that do have Devil Fruits have Logia fruits.

The few Logia fruits I came up with, I'm saving for their enemies and/or ally crews.

And the Captain character actually doesn't even start the story as a pirate.

.....I may post the first chapter up here to see what you guys think of it.

It frustrates me so much when I try so hard to make decent fancharacters with believable abilities and who are balanced within the world they inhabit....and then you have people who make crappy characters like that and think it's a good idea.


Now, I'm going to exposition here for a little bit, so you don't have to read if you don't want.

The reason that I created Catastrophix is so that I can avoid barriers. He is omnipresent. No matter which fanfic you put Catastrophix in, he is still himself. He shows up everywhere, laughing and creating mayhem and saving the day as he pleases. His express purpose is to be there for fanfics. He is the ultimate crossover character, because he shows up everywhere. His powers may be different, maybe even his clothes or backstory. But it's him.

And on another note, while I do agree with your concerns, you have to remember that all of the characters, even the ones from the original work, are fictional.

Doesn't stop him from being a Gary-Stu. >_>

I've done something similar, but very different.

While some people would say this is bad writing, I've created a single central character template based on myself. This "Michal" character basically consists of aspects of my personality and appearance. Building off of this central "Michal" character build, I then create variations of her for different worlds and works of fiction.

Michal Ritter is the main character of my own original work of fiction. She's basically me, only with a bunch of special powers I'm not going to get into here.

Michal Tentsurugi is the main character of a giant amine crossover world idea I have. She's the character based on Bleach, and as a twist to the normal cliche, she's actually based on how I used to act rather than how I act now.

Aryll Ritter is the captain of the Seagull pirates. She's the captain of my fan-crew, and her only abilities is master swordsmanship and owning a sword with the powers of the Beam Beam Fruit. ( It allows the sword to shoot beams of energy. )

I have a version of Michal I use as a Bleach fan character with a lightning themed zanpakuto.

And I'm currently working on a version of this character that is a Naruto ninja.

It allows me to use the same basic character personality wise in multiple works of fiction. Without it actually being the same character.
The best part is, while it is technically an "author insertion" character, she rarely, if ever, interacts with canon characters...

And all versions of Michal aside from the Michal Ritter character of my original story I just made up for fun, usually for RPs and such.

So yeah, it's kind of lazy writing, but the character herself is a fun character to write, so I like to make variations on her.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 September, 2008, 01:36:49 pm
I made a fanfruit. Does that count?


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 01:43:57 pm
I made a fanfruit. Does that count?

Fanfruits are awesome.

<_< As long as they aren't Mizu Mizu Fruits.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 September, 2008, 01:50:37 pm
I made a fanfruit. Does that count?

Fanfruits are awesome.

<_< As long as they aren't Mizu Mizu Fruits.

Mine was the Glass Glass Fruit.

Though you've got me thinking.

EDIT: Actually forget it. You'll probably just flame me or yell at me, no matter what I have to say. Just like everyone else on this site. ¬_¬


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 01:58:42 pm
I made a fanfruit. Does that count?

Fanfruits are awesome.

<_< As long as they aren't Mizu Mizu Fruits.

Mine was the Glass Glass Fruit.

Though you've got me thinking.

EDIT: Actually forget it. You'll probably just flame me or yell at me, no matter what I have to say. Just like everyone else on this site. ¬_¬

Ooh, that one sounds cool.

Was it Logia or Paramecium?

Because the idea of a Logia fruit turning you into glass brings up all kinds of questions.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 September, 2008, 02:03:12 pm
I made a fanfruit. Does that count?

Fanfruits are awesome.

<_< As long as they aren't Mizu Mizu Fruits.

Mine was the Glass Glass Fruit.

Though you've got me thinking.

EDIT: Actually forget it. You'll probably just flame me or yell at me, no matter what I have to say. Just like everyone else on this site. ¬_¬


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 02:15:21 pm
I made a fanfruit. Does that count?

Fanfruits are awesome.

<_< As long as they aren't Mizu Mizu Fruits.

Mine was the Glass Glass Fruit.

Though you've got me thinking.

EDIT: Actually forget it. You'll probably just flame me or yell at me, no matter what I have to say. Just like everyone else on this site. ¬_¬

<_< Why would I do something stupid like that?


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 September, 2008, 02:17:59 pm
Everyone else does.

Plus your rant makes it pretty clear your opinions on Logia fruits.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Z911 on 07 September, 2008, 02:18:45 pm
I often debate if I should write/type a story for the storyboard(Like SA2), but I often worry that I'll get bored of it and abandon it like I did to my comics. Friends have told me that I'm good at serious dialogue and witty jokes though.

ITT: David attention whoring lulz


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 07 September, 2008, 02:21:04 pm
The funny thing is, anything I write would work much better as a movie, because that's how I write. I make a movie in my head, and then transcribe it to paper. Meh, just thought I'd throw that out there.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 02:29:00 pm
Everyone else does.

Plus your rant makes it pretty clear your opinions on Logia fruits.

Unrealistic overpowered Logias. You know, generic Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu type stuff. Like....a "Rainbow Rainbow Fruit" that lets you turn into a rainbow.

A Glass Glass fruit? That's awesome. I mean, on one hand, you're glass. How does that help you at all? Glass gets broken and stuff. And what kind of combat abilities would it give you? Umm..hitting people with glass shards?

See...the fact that you made one means you thought of these things...and then thought of something better to make it awesome.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ahriman on 07 September, 2008, 02:30:56 pm
Honestly, a glass element is pretty badass. <_<


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Z911 on 07 September, 2008, 02:32:13 pm
*Cough*Glass Joe*Cough*

<.<


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 07 September, 2008, 02:32:59 pm
Honestly, a glass element is pretty badass. <_<
Nawt really. After all, glass is just melted sand.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 02:38:27 pm
When done right it is.

I once toyed with the idea of a Glass fruit as well....but couldn't think of anything good to do with it.

I've only been able to come up with three decent Logia fruits.

Oil Oil Fruit. The idea behind this one is it's a way to make a Logia fruit that would allow the user to become a liquid without turning into water.
However, as a downside, the user is incredibly vulnerable to fire, and yet their power would be naturally paired with some kind of fire user.

Gem Gem Fruit. Basically, I ripped off Diamondhead from Ben 10, and found a way to make it work as a Logia Fruit.

Rock Rock Fruit. The user can turn into a solid rock creature. Not useful for avoiding attacks, but useful for enduring them.

...I like the idea of Logia that turn you into something solid instead of something insubstantial.

Honestly, a glass element is pretty badass. <_<
Nawt really. After all, glass is just melted sand.

And Ice is just frozen Water.

In anime/video game land, just because one thing is made of something, doesn't mean it can't be a separate element.

So in anime/video game land....

Ice =/= Water
Glass =/= Sand
Paper =/= Wood
Plastic =/= Oil


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Z911 on 07 September, 2008, 02:39:27 pm
My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 September, 2008, 02:40:44 pm
I came up with the idea after reading about the Hie Hie Fruit. I read that due to the nature of the element, Aokiji couldn't become intangible like most Logias and instead shattered and reformed when hit with an attack. That got me thinking about what other, future Logias could use the same effect, and the first on that sprung to mind was the Glass Glass Fruit.

Despite the name, the Glass Glass Fruit actually turns the user into some kind of diamond, kind of like how the Yami Yami Fruit is really gravity. For fighting ability, I have three thus-far-unnamed attacks. One, the user fires shards of glass at the opponent (as you said), another he/she can turn parts of their body into crude weapons like spikes or swords, and lastly they can summon a glass wall resembling a window pane to protect themselves and others.

Today, I actually realised a couple of things about the fruit I never noticed before. After Zoro learned how to cut steel and beat Mr. 1, he said "Next, will you try cutting diamond?" something he'd have to learn to fight the Glass Glass user. Second, they're fighting attacks are greatly similar to Diamondhead from Ben 10. Both of these were completely unintentional, so they amuse me to no end.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 07 September, 2008, 02:42:29 pm
My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 02:43:31 pm
That is pretty badass.

And I imagine he would also have some kind of...prism ability or something that would let him reflect light or other beam-like attacks?

He would be awesome against Kizaru. All of Kizaru's attacks would pass through him! Or bounce off of him.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Z911 on 07 September, 2008, 02:44:29 pm
My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 September, 2008, 02:45:55 pm
That is pretty badass.

And I imagine he would also have some kind of...prism ability or something that would let him reflect light or other beam-like attacks?

He would be awesome against Kizaru. All of Kizaru's attacks would pass through him! Or bounce off of him.

Ah, yes. I forgot about that. Yes, he/she would.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 07 September, 2008, 02:46:22 pm
My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.
Um, nope. Space only has one meaning. It's a reference point for objects.
That is pretty badass.

And I imagine he would also have some kind of...prism ability or something that would let him reflect light or other beam-like attacks?

He would be awesome against Kizaru. All of Kizaru's attacks would pass through him! Or bounce off of him.
I want to see Kizaru vs. Blackbeard.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 02:47:55 pm
My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.

My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.
Um, nope. Space only has one meaning. It's a reference point for objects.



Wrong. You're not thinking in anime/video game terms.

Space can refer to a number of things in anime/video game world.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Z911 on 07 September, 2008, 02:48:27 pm
I like the name "Space" and how it's awesome still though.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 07 September, 2008, 02:49:09 pm
My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.

My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.
Um, nope. Space only has one meaning. It's a reference point for objects.



Wrong. You're not thinking in anime/video game terms.

Space can refer to a number of things in anime/video game world.
Such as..........?


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Z911 on 07 September, 2008, 02:49:47 pm
My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.
Ah, thanks. But I usually tend to make personalities and stories for characters that aren't cliche' or I at least try to...even though my first Sonic fancharacter was related with one of the canon characters...


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 02:53:46 pm
Any kind of dimensional manipulation can be referred to as "Space"

To take an example from American sources, Hiro from Heroes can manipulate the "space-time continuum". The space half of that gives him teleportation abilities.

Also, "Space" can easily be used to describe different gravity based powers, such as black holes.

My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.
Ah, thanks. But I usually tend to make personalities and stories for characters that aren't cliche' or I at least try to...even though my first Sonic fancharacter was related with one of the canon characters...

A lot of my fan characters are either subtle references to various other things I like, while at the same time being original personalities.

For example, the navigator of my One Piece fan-crew is named Diego Von Edgewright.
<_< Guess where his name comes from.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 07 September, 2008, 02:59:20 pm
I try to write stories that are very "out there". I like to avoid mainstream cliches, so I create plots that are unconventional, and I create the characters to fit those plots.
For example, in Catastrophix's base story, he is the mentor/father figure to three orphans. This is somewhat of a cliche. What isn't, however, is the fact that the orphans were collected from three different points in 5th-dimensional space. (Alternate universes, to you folks). It's a way of taking things that may be cliched and adding a twist to them.
Any kind of dimensional manipulation can be referred to as "Space"

To take an example from American sources, Hiro from Heroes can manipulate the "space-time continuum". The space half of that gives him teleportation abilities.

Also, "Space" can easily be used to describe different gravity based powers, such as black holes.

My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.
Ah, thanks. But I usually tend to make personalities and stories for characters that aren't cliche' or I at least try to...even though my first Sonic fancharacter was related with one of the canon characters...

A lot of my fan characters are either subtle references to various other things I like, while at the same time being original personalities.

For example, the navigator of my One Piece fan-crew is named Diego Von Edgewright.
<_< Guess where his name comes from.
Ah, but Hiro's powers actually make a little sense. Space and dimensions are the same thing. They are reference points. Space is the basic reference point, and dimensions are the directions of reference. Stop me if I'm going too fast for you. And referring to gravity powers as "Space" is utterly wrong and stupid.

Also, Edgey!


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 03:07:02 pm
I try to write stories that are very "out there". I like to avoid mainstream cliches, so I create plots that are unconventional, and I create the characters to fit those plots.
For example, in Catastrophix's base story, he is the mentor/father figure to three orphans. This is somewhat of a cliche. What isn't, however, is the fact that the orphans were collected from three different points in 5th-dimensional space. (Alternate universes, to you folks). It's a way of taking things that may be cliched and adding a twist to them.
Any kind of dimensional manipulation can be referred to as "Space"

To take an example from American sources, Hiro from Heroes can manipulate the "space-time continuum". The space half of that gives him teleportation abilities.

Also, "Space" can easily be used to describe different gravity based powers, such as black holes.

My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.
Ah, thanks. But I usually tend to make personalities and stories for characters that aren't cliche' or I at least try to...even though my first Sonic fancharacter was related with one of the canon characters...

A lot of my fan characters are either subtle references to various other things I like, while at the same time being original personalities.

For example, the navigator of my One Piece fan-crew is named Diego Von Edgewright.
<_< Guess where his name comes from.
Ah, but Hiro's powers actually make a little sense. Space and dimensions are the same thing. They are reference points. Space is the basic reference point, and dimensions are the directions of reference. Stop me if I'm going too fast for you. And referring to gravity powers as "Space" is utterly wrong and stupid.

Also, Edgey!


To a science nerd, maybe. But to an otaku, it makes sense.

Lol, yeah. Each part of his name is based on a Phoenix Wright character.

Diego (Armando, a.k.a. Godot) Von (For the Von Karmas) Edge(worth)Wright.


And if you want to talk about stories with twists on normal cliches...

In my main original story, I have a Japanese character who is kind of stupid, as a counter-stereotype to the "Asians are smart" stereotype...and at the same time, the same character is a musical genius who can pick up any instrument and play it, as well as hear a song once and play it.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 September, 2008, 03:12:30 pm
Can I ask your opinion on other Devil Fruits' I've made, or should I take that to your question topic?


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 03:17:44 pm
Hmm...go ahead and ask in my question topic, seeing as how it's kind of gotten away from that topic here.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 September, 2008, 03:18:11 pm
Righto.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 07 September, 2008, 03:24:08 pm
I try to write stories that are very "out there". I like to avoid mainstream cliches, so I create plots that are unconventional, and I create the characters to fit those plots.
For example, in Catastrophix's base story, he is the mentor/father figure to three orphans. This is somewhat of a cliche. What isn't, however, is the fact that the orphans were collected from three different points in 5th-dimensional space. (Alternate universes, to you folks). It's a way of taking things that may be cliched and adding a twist to them.
Any kind of dimensional manipulation can be referred to as "Space"

To take an example from American sources, Hiro from Heroes can manipulate the "space-time continuum". The space half of that gives him teleportation abilities.

Also, "Space" can easily be used to describe different gravity based powers, such as black holes.

My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.
Ah, thanks. But I usually tend to make personalities and stories for characters that aren't cliche' or I at least try to...even though my first Sonic fancharacter was related with one of the canon characters...

A lot of my fan characters are either subtle references to various other things I like, while at the same time being original personalities.

For example, the navigator of my One Piece fan-crew is named Diego Von Edgewright.
<_< Guess where his name comes from.
Ah, but Hiro's powers actually make a little sense. Space and dimensions are the same thing. They are reference points. Space is the basic reference point, and dimensions are the directions of reference. Stop me if I'm going too fast for you. And referring to gravity powers as "Space" is utterly wrong and stupid.

Also, Edgey!


To a science nerd, maybe. But to an otaku, it makes sense.

Lol, yeah. Each part of his name is based on a Phoenix Wright character.

Diego (Armando, a.k.a. Godot) Von (For the Von Karmas) Edge(worth)Wright.


And if you want to talk about stories with twists on normal cliches...

In my main original story, I have a Japanese character who is kind of stupid, as a counter-stereotype to the "Asians are smart" stereotype...and at the same time, the same character is a musical genius who can pick up any instrument and play it, as well as hear a song once and play it.
As both an otaku and a science nerd I can say it offends me. And your character is actually another cliche, the "idiot savant", in this case, a musical one.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 07 September, 2008, 03:30:44 pm
I try to write stories that are very "out there". I like to avoid mainstream cliches, so I create plots that are unconventional, and I create the characters to fit those plots.
For example, in Catastrophix's base story, he is the mentor/father figure to three orphans. This is somewhat of a cliche. What isn't, however, is the fact that the orphans were collected from three different points in 5th-dimensional space. (Alternate universes, to you folks). It's a way of taking things that may be cliched and adding a twist to them.
Any kind of dimensional manipulation can be referred to as "Space"

To take an example from American sources, Hiro from Heroes can manipulate the "space-time continuum". The space half of that gives him teleportation abilities.

Also, "Space" can easily be used to describe different gravity based powers, such as black holes.

My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.
Ah, thanks. But I usually tend to make personalities and stories for characters that aren't cliche' or I at least try to...even though my first Sonic fancharacter was related with one of the canon characters...

A lot of my fan characters are either subtle references to various other things I like, while at the same time being original personalities.

For example, the navigator of my One Piece fan-crew is named Diego Von Edgewright.
<_< Guess where his name comes from.
Ah, but Hiro's powers actually make a little sense. Space and dimensions are the same thing. They are reference points. Space is the basic reference point, and dimensions are the directions of reference. Stop me if I'm going too fast for you. And referring to gravity powers as "Space" is utterly wrong and stupid.

Also, Edgey!


To a science nerd, maybe. But to an otaku, it makes sense.

Lol, yeah. Each part of his name is based on a Phoenix Wright character.

Diego (Armando, a.k.a. Godot) Von (For the Von Karmas) Edge(worth)Wright.


And if you want to talk about stories with twists on normal cliches...

In my main original story, I have a Japanese character who is kind of stupid, as a counter-stereotype to the "Asians are smart" stereotype...and at the same time, the same character is a musical genius who can pick up any instrument and play it, as well as hear a song once and play it.
As both an otaku and a science nerd I can say it offends me. And your character is actually another cliche, the "idiot savant", in this case, a musical one.

....I would like to point out that the musical talent is actually a minor part of his character, and he has much more important character traits.

For example, the stupidity isn't so much he's an idiot, he just doesn't take anything seriously and doesn't pay attention in class. If he applied himself, he would be smart...but he doesn't apply himself.


In all honesty, I like to play with cliches. Some of them, I play straight, some of them I use with a twist, and others I do the opposite, a "counter-stereotype."

It all depends on my mood.

For example, I play with the cliche of, in a group of people with elemental powers, the leader is the guy with the power of fire. Instead of it being the character with fire powers, the leader of my team has the element of lightning.
Also, the leader is a girl, which plays around with several cliches as well.

Some are just more fun if you just play them straight. Like my one character who has the element of darkness being a reformed villain.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Ƨɒlƚy on 07 September, 2008, 04:00:49 pm
I try to write stories that are very "out there". I like to avoid mainstream cliches, so I create plots that are unconventional, and I create the characters to fit those plots.
For example, in Catastrophix's base story, he is the mentor/father figure to three orphans. This is somewhat of a cliche. What isn't, however, is the fact that the orphans were collected from three different points in 5th-dimensional space. (Alternate universes, to you folks). It's a way of taking things that may be cliched and adding a twist to them.
Any kind of dimensional manipulation can be referred to as "Space"

To take an example from American sources, Hiro from Heroes can manipulate the "space-time continuum". The space half of that gives him teleportation abilities.

Also, "Space" can easily be used to describe different gravity based powers, such as black holes.

My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.
Ah, thanks. But I usually tend to make personalities and stories for characters that aren't cliche' or I at least try to...even though my first Sonic fancharacter was related with one of the canon characters...

A lot of my fan characters are either subtle references to various other things I like, while at the same time being original personalities.

For example, the navigator of my One Piece fan-crew is named Diego Von Edgewright.
<_< Guess where his name comes from.
Ah, but Hiro's powers actually make a little sense. Space and dimensions are the same thing. They are reference points. Space is the basic reference point, and dimensions are the directions of reference. Stop me if I'm going too fast for you. And referring to gravity powers as "Space" is utterly wrong and stupid.

Also, Edgey!


To a science nerd, maybe. But to an otaku, it makes sense.

Lol, yeah. Each part of his name is based on a Phoenix Wright character.

Diego (Armando, a.k.a. Godot) Von (For the Von Karmas) Edge(worth)Wright.


And if you want to talk about stories with twists on normal cliches...

In my main original story, I have a Japanese character who is kind of stupid, as a counter-stereotype to the "Asians are smart" stereotype...and at the same time, the same character is a musical genius who can pick up any instrument and play it, as well as hear a song once and play it.
As both an otaku and a science nerd I can say it offends me. And your character is actually another cliche, the "idiot savant", in this case, a musical one.

....I would like to point out that the musical talent is actually a minor part of his character, and he has much more important character traits.

For example, the stupidity isn't so much he's an idiot, he just doesn't take anything seriously and doesn't pay attention in class. If he applied himself, he would be smart...but he doesn't apply himself.


In all honesty, I like to play with cliches. Some of them, I play straight, some of them I use with a twist, and others I do the opposite, a "counter-stereotype."

It all depends on my mood.

For example, I play with the cliche of, in a group of people with elemental powers, the leader is the guy with the power of fire. Instead of it being the character with fire powers, the leader of my team has the element of lightning.
Also, the leader is a girl, which plays around with several cliches as well.

Some are just more fun if you just play them straight. Like my one character who has the element of darkness being a reformed villain.
Well, that makes your character not the "idiot savant", but the "lazy genius". And yes, cliches are fun to play with.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 07 September, 2008, 04:10:51 pm
My characters are unoriginal as all hell. I got like one or two unique characters.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Fuuka Yamagishi on 07 September, 2008, 07:41:04 pm
Nothing is original, everything is cliche, etc, etc.
>_>
If you've thought of it, someone else has too.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: IngSlayer on 07 September, 2008, 07:54:30 pm
Nothing is original, everything is cliche, etc, etc.

>_>

If you've thought of it, someone else has too.

^


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Marie Rose on 08 September, 2008, 01:34:03 pm
Summary-Fanfiction sucks, come up with your own ****ing idea.
>.>

I already did, lolololololol!


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Gargravarr on 08 September, 2008, 02:19:44 pm
*reads rant*

*hangs head about Dorian*


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: IngSlayer on 08 September, 2008, 04:05:43 pm
I'll be writing an original story of mine once I can think of a plot.

-and a villain.

-and back stories for my chars.

>,>


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: HylianFox on 08 September, 2008, 04:50:45 pm
'Color' as an element would be related to 'light' as an element.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: zeldafan42 on 11 September, 2008, 01:28:34 pm
*reads rant*

*hangs head about Dorian*

<_< His ability isn't a Devil Fruit. That makes it ok.

Besides, Dorian isn't a strictly OP Fan-character. He's a crossover fan character. That makes him much more awesome.

I try to write stories that are very "out there". I like to avoid mainstream cliches, so I create plots that are unconventional, and I create the characters to fit those plots.
For example, in Catastrophix's base story, he is the mentor/father figure to three orphans. This is somewhat of a cliche. What isn't, however, is the fact that the orphans were collected from three different points in 5th-dimensional space. (Alternate universes, to you folks). It's a way of taking things that may be cliched and adding a twist to them.
Any kind of dimensional manipulation can be referred to as "Space"

To take an example from American sources, Hiro from Heroes can manipulate the "space-time continuum". The space half of that gives him teleportation abilities.

Also, "Space" can easily be used to describe different gravity based powers, such as black holes.

My favorite "out there" element is Space, since it's so versatile when used right.
It's just the same as Time, if you think about it the right way. By which I mean Gary-Stu level.
*Doesn't understand the term "Gary-Stu"*

But Space can also be a double meaning, like the space in between objects or outer space.

Gary-Stu is the male equivalent of a Mary-Sue.

Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu are fanfiction/fanwork terms for really...horrible characters.

These characters are usually super powerful, are related or have a romantic relationship with one of the canon main characters, are usually super good looking or super badass looking, and often are some kind of author insertion character.

Basically, 99% of all fancharacters.
Ah, thanks. But I usually tend to make personalities and stories for characters that aren't cliche' or I at least try to...even though my first Sonic fancharacter was related with one of the canon characters...

A lot of my fan characters are either subtle references to various other things I like, while at the same time being original personalities.

For example, the navigator of my One Piece fan-crew is named Diego Von Edgewright.
<_< Guess where his name comes from.
Ah, but Hiro's powers actually make a little sense. Space and dimensions are the same thing. They are reference points. Space is the basic reference point, and dimensions are the directions of reference. Stop me if I'm going too fast for you. And referring to gravity powers as "Space" is utterly wrong and stupid.

Also, Edgey!


To a science nerd, maybe. But to an otaku, it makes sense.

Lol, yeah. Each part of his name is based on a Phoenix Wright character.

Diego (Armando, a.k.a. Godot) Von (For the Von Karmas) Edge(worth)Wright.


And if you want to talk about stories with twists on normal cliches...

In my main original story, I have a Japanese character who is kind of stupid, as a counter-stereotype to the "Asians are smart" stereotype...and at the same time, the same character is a musical genius who can pick up any instrument and play it, as well as hear a song once and play it.
As both an otaku and a science nerd I can say it offends me. And your character is actually another cliche, the "idiot savant", in this case, a musical one.

....I would like to point out that the musical talent is actually a minor part of his character, and he has much more important character traits.

For example, the stupidity isn't so much he's an idiot, he just doesn't take anything seriously and doesn't pay attention in class. If he applied himself, he would be smart...but he doesn't apply himself.


In all honesty, I like to play with cliches. Some of them, I play straight, some of them I use with a twist, and others I do the opposite, a "counter-stereotype."

It all depends on my mood.

For example, I play with the cliche of, in a group of people with elemental powers, the leader is the guy with the power of fire. Instead of it being the character with fire powers, the leader of my team has the element of lightning.
Also, the leader is a girl, which plays around with several cliches as well.

Some are just more fun if you just play them straight. Like my one character who has the element of darkness being a reformed villain.
Well, that makes your character not the "idiot savant", but the "lazy genius". And yes, cliches are fun to play with.

No, I thought about that, and that isn't true either.

Blaze (the Japanese character) isn't an idiot, but he isn't a lazy genius.

No, in reality, he's the epitome of averageness.

Like....in school, because he doesn't try, he gets mostly C's, some D's, and the occasional B.

If he tried, he would get mostly C's and B's, with the occasional A.

He has this freaky musical talent that comes from nowhere, but other than that, he is mentally completely average. Nothing exceptional about him. He's not smart...he's not stupid...he's average.

Now, personality-wise, he acts stupid. But intelligence wise, he's average.


I'll writing an original story of mine once I can think of a plot.

-and a villain.

-and back stories for my chars.

>,>

It's hard.

My original story....I've been working on the characters and background information for it...since 7th grade.
I'm a freshman in college now.


Title: Re: ZR Rant time: One Piece fan characters
Post by: Pleinair on 14 September, 2008, 05:20:59 am
I don't try to write fanfiction characters usually, I will just end up coming up with characters in the event that I ever end up in an RP based on a series (I'm more for reusing setting than characters in those kinds of RPs). This means I actually end up with quite a number of partially completed characters in my head, some of which end up having bits and pieces being used in other RPs, while others are simply never used.

The one I have for One Piece is a chemist with a bit of first aid training who can act as a ship's doctor (human test subjects always welcome). He cuts his hair with an acid pen and has a habit of breeding rats, much to the annoyance of the chef (not to mention he often extracts ingredients from food supplies). In combat, which he avoids as much as possible, he'll use poisons and the like, and at close range will rely on a flintlock pistol thingy which uses special ammo he creates, which are little glass balls filled with strange chemicals for a shotgun effect, or rats filled with pathogenic substances (live ammo). Oh, and he never bothered to learn how to swim, so he keeps an inflatable life jacket under his collar.

Yeah, maybe not too original, but I guess I was just trying to shy away from the whole Gary-Stuing effect that often comes with making RP characters.