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Title: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 16 October, 2014, 02:12:53 pm
This is something I've been working on due to my use of characters like Diablo and the 13 Lords, but since it's such a major thing in the RPS that all of us use, I think that I shouldn't just take charge and I should run it past you guys first.

Basically, I've been doing some backstory and world building with Hell, the realm that the 13 Lords are based. My current "draft" is that in the beginning, there was realm of gods. One God in particular was talented at creation, and created several servants called angels to assist him and the other gods. Eventually, God decided to test his powers and created an entire new world, called the Human World, Earth, Earthrealm, etc. However, this didn't sit well with the leader of the angels, Lucifer.

As in the traditional story, Lucifer rebelled against God because he felt that he was the greatest of God's creations, and was cast down to Hell as punishment, becoming the first Fallen Angel. Once there, Lucifer encountered six demons; Satan, Mammon, Belial, Asmodeus, Belphegor and Beelzebub. Lucifer, wanting to prove that he was just as worthy of the title God, worked with the six of them and together they combined their powers to create a a second world just like God did. However, because they used seven different kinds of energy and they weren't as powerful as God, this new world was warped and twisted and completely different from the Human World. This world would later become the Demon World, the Netherealm, etc.

Despite this, Lucifer's banishment wasn't lifted and soon the seven of them began to go their separate ways. The would later be known as "the Seven Great Demons" (final title undecided) and feared as some of the greatest and most powerful demons to ever live. However, despite his power Lucifer isn't allowed to leave Hell, as is his punishment for rebellion. So, Lucifer formed an organization called the 13 Lords, who were made up of especially powerful members from both Hell and the Demon World, to act as his eyes and hands in the other worlds and help further his plans.

Once the Demon World was originally created, God realised how powerful his former servant had become and knew he could pose a threat to his new world as a way of getting back at him. So God created another world, where his angel servants could live and watch over the Human World, serving as their protectors and guardians. As such, this third world become known as the Angel World, or Celestia, etc.

What do you think?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 16 October, 2014, 02:26:29 pm
All sounds good to me. But would Lucier be one of the 13, or would there be 13 plus him?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 16 October, 2014, 02:28:16 pm
Lucifer's one of the 13. It's him plus 12 other demons.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 16 October, 2014, 02:34:17 pm
I'm also intrigued by this angel world, too.

How would my own stolen Cosmos and Chaos fit in? Could they be two more of the gods from the original realm?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 16 October, 2014, 03:43:02 pm
Yeah, that seems fine to me. A pretty good explanation/justification for it, I feel.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 16 October, 2014, 03:59:20 pm
I'm also intrigued by this angel world, too.

How would my own stolen Cosmos and Chaos fit in? Could they be two more of the gods from the original realm?

The Angel World, as ILS no doubt knows, is pretty much an idea from Disgaea, a counterpart to the Demon World.

And sure, Cosmos and Chaos could fit in easily. Personally, I always thought that they, along with Necros, would be outside these worlds and would have their own connections, so that you didn't have to follow my rules. But if you want, I don't see why Cosmos and Chaos can't be gods from the God Realm.

Yeah, that seems fine to me. A pretty good explanation/justification for it, I feel.

Thanks, I'm glad you like it. Any issues or anything that you might have with it based on your characters or plans?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 16 October, 2014, 04:02:24 pm
Okay. I'm not going to decide anything now, but it's good to know they could fit in if it came to it.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 16 October, 2014, 04:05:13 pm
Of course. That's why I made the topic, to make sure nothing clashes too badly.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 16 October, 2014, 04:08:30 pm
Probably a good idea.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 17 October, 2014, 02:05:22 pm
*nods*

An idea I was considering was exploring Astaroth and Diablo's comments on devils being "the demon elite." Specifically it was the idea that there are seven races that are descended from the original Seven Demons, and as such are held in higher regard. For example, Fallen Angels from Lucifer and Devils from Satan.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 17 October, 2014, 03:31:37 pm
Sounds good to me. So what would the other five species be? It might help to fill the remaining Lord slots.

Personally I'd recommend Vampires, but that's up to you. They seem the type to relish being part of the "demon elite".


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 17 October, 2014, 04:27:10 pm
Vampires would be a pretty good choice, yeah.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 17 October, 2014, 07:26:46 pm
Well, the other species would depend on what the other Seven are, and I haven't decided that yet. For example, I'm considering succubi/incubi to be demon elites, descended from Asmodeus because he represents Lust, but I'm unsure on that front.

Vampires could work. Perhaps descended from Belial, the demon of Envy. Vampires steal the blood and life energy they want from other people that is denied to them.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 17 October, 2014, 07:34:39 pm
Would Lucifer represent Pride, by any chance?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 17 October, 2014, 07:39:58 pm
Yep. What gave it away?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 17 October, 2014, 07:56:59 pm
His belief that he's the greatest of God's creations and creating the Demon World to show he's just as powerful.

So you still need to assign Wrath, Sloth, Gluttony, Greed and possibly Envy and Lust (although I can't think of a more suitable species than succubi/incubi)?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 18 October, 2014, 12:33:55 pm
Actually, I've already assigned which of the Seven represent which sin. It's just what demons they each are.

Pride: Lucifer and the fallen angels
Wratch: Satan and the devils
Sloth: Belphegor
Gluttony: Beelzebub
Greed: Mammon
Envy: Belial and the vampires(?)
Lust: Asmodeus and the succubi/incubi(?)


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 18 October, 2014, 04:33:44 pm
Wow, Sloth, Gluttony and Greed are going to be tough to place...

Vampires could also serve for Gluttony or Greed, given their parasitic, preying nature and dependence on other beings' life energy, etc, but then I guess the same could be said of succubi/incubi.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 19 October, 2014, 04:16:35 pm
I'd say vampires would be more pride than envy. Though Greed and Gluttony would also work well.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 19 October, 2014, 04:34:05 pm
That's true... in fact I haven't really come up with anything for Mammon yet, so I'll keep it in mind.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 19 October, 2014, 05:06:28 pm
I'd say vampires would be more pride than envy. Though Greed and Gluttony would also work well.

True, but given their descent from Lucifer I'd say Fallen Angels edge them out.


Is there anything you can tell us about these demons that might help us pick a species for them?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 20 October, 2014, 10:58:50 am
Well, there's not really much I've decided with them except for Lucifer and Satan. Beelzebub would probably be some sort of insect demon, not just the obvious Lord of Flies idea but to represent Gluttony by being an enormous, unstoppable swarm of all-devouring insects; and I'm considering making Belphegor a partially/fully cyborg demon, having chosen an easy path of letting his body parts wither away and replace them with machinery rather than put in the effort to keep them strong.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 20 October, 2014, 02:59:29 pm
Both sound good to me. For some reason I can picture Beelzebub looking like a hooded/cloaked figure until he releases his insects. Kind of like a much more sinister version of Oogie-Boogie.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 20 October, 2014, 04:56:46 pm
...that actually sounds really good. Better than what I originally had planned.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 20 October, 2014, 05:03:29 pm
Well it was either that or something like this (http://theinfosphere.org/File:Krokers.jpg), and I thought the former would be a bit more menacing. And less susceptible to bug spray.

But thinking back to the DS Castlevanias, isn't Abaddon something to do with locusts?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 20 October, 2014, 05:06:37 pm
He is indeed. In fact, I originally dropped Abaddon from my Lords because I wanted to include Beelzebub, and I felt having two insect-themed demons were too similar. Now that I've upgraded Beelzebub from a Lord to one of the Seven, I'm probably going to bring him back.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 20 October, 2014, 05:09:42 pm
But there'd still be the problem of having two insect-themed Lords. Maybe you could just make Abaddon a subordinate of Beelzebub?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 20 October, 2014, 05:10:45 pm
The Lords and the Seven aren't the same group; the only connection is Lucifer is a member of both.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 20 October, 2014, 05:13:12 pm
Oh right, are the other six of the Seven not around anymore then?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 20 October, 2014, 05:16:44 pm
They're all off doing their own thing.

The best comparison I can come up with is One Piece; the 13 Lords are like the Schichibukai, who got the title by joining the group. The Seven are more like the Four Emperors, who aren't actually an organisation, and are just a group of extremely powerful beings on roughly the same level.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 20 October, 2014, 05:18:48 pm
I see... Well, there could still be a link between Beelzebub and Abaddon, then.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 20 October, 2014, 05:20:49 pm
Indeed there can be.

Also, y'know how I mentioned that I was considering calling them the Seven Great Demons? After this topic, I'm very strongly considering just calling them "the Seven."


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 20 October, 2014, 05:24:28 pm
Mabe both? "The Seven Great Demons" could be their formal name, or at least what they were called by others early on, but over time that was shortened to "The Seven", particularly as they became more shrouded in mystery and legend over many centuries.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 20 October, 2014, 05:25:59 pm
Oh my goodness, yes. I was a bit worried "Seven Great Demons" was a bit too generic, but that sounds pretty much perfect.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 20 October, 2014, 05:28:46 pm
Cool.

So Abaddon could be added to the Lords, then? If memory serves you currently only have six.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 20 October, 2014, 05:31:35 pm
Absolutely. I've just been trying to come up with a design and personality for him that I like.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 20 October, 2014, 06:05:19 pm
Well, do you still want him to be insect/creepy-crawly themed?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 20 October, 2014, 06:56:24 pm
Definitely. Though likely with a greater emphasis on locusts than Beelzebub, who has a swarm theme. In fact, one of my original inspirations for Abaddon was Agnus from Devil May Cry 4, who had a locust-themed demon form.

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/c_ogAACj5EE/maxresdefault.jpg)


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 20 October, 2014, 07:20:41 pm
Ah, so something more like a humanoid locust, then?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 21 October, 2014, 12:16:45 pm
Yeah, something along those lines.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 21 October, 2014, 01:13:41 pm
What sort of link do you think he might have with Beelzebub? Could it potentially be an antagonistic one? I'm extending the Shichibukai/Yonkou metaphor because some members/former members of the former group have grudges or are plotting against certain Yonkou.

Also, were you aware that one Vampire weakness that pops up in quitee a few places is a compulsion to count grains of rice if spilled in front of them? Could be interpreted as a trait of Greed.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 21 October, 2014, 01:16:56 pm
I'd say antagonistic relationships are probably a given. If three powerful people are in a room together, chances are good that there are at least four grudges going on.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 21 October, 2014, 01:36:40 pm
It could possibly be an antagonistic one. Though I never really put much thought into what relations the Lords had with the Seven. I've mostly been focusing on the relationships between the Lords themselves.

Regarding how the Lords see the Seven, my default idea is simply that they view them as living legends for their immense power, viewing them with a combination of awe and fear. This is especially true with Lucifer; while the Lords can bicker and argue amongst themselves, no one dares speak against him and he can silence all 12 of them immediately.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 21 October, 2014, 02:05:07 pm
On the subject of relationships between the Lords, depending on how many gods you end up using, there could be some antagonism between them and the "true" demons like Tamamo and Lilith.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 21 October, 2014, 02:07:11 pm
Oh? What do you mean?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 21 October, 2014, 05:32:05 pm
Well, I just thought that some of the "true" demon members of the Lords (beside maybe Lucifer, as he might look down on everyone) might have a feeling of superiority over their fellow Lords who aren't demons themselves. Now that I think about it there already seems to be something similar to that with their opinions of Damien/Crowley and the Boogeyman.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 21 October, 2014, 06:14:57 pm
You pretty much hit the nail on the head with Damien, though it's not entirely accurate to the Boogeyman.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 21 October, 2014, 07:00:32 pm
Well yeah, I know that it's actually because they find him disturbing even by their standards, but it still counts in the context of demons disliking a non-demon colleague. This one just happens to be an eldritch abomination.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 22 October, 2014, 11:25:21 am
Ah, yes, I see what you mean. And I want to say thanks; it probably doesn't seem like much, but it means a lot to me that you were able to pick up on that. I sometimes worry I might not be as good of an RPer as I used to be, so to hear that sort of thing makes me feel like I'm doing it right.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 22 October, 2014, 11:50:53 am
Well, with the exception of the plotting Tamamo, they seemed a bit disgusted by how excited it was at the idea of there being children at the Mansion.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 22 October, 2014, 01:52:19 pm
Even the lords of hell are a bit iffy about creepy, brutal, no-reason child murder.

And yeah, I'd say superiority could play a role. A true demon might see themselves as better than someone who's not.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 22 October, 2014, 01:56:16 pm
Well, bare in mind who he is and who the "real" Boogeyman preys on in the real world.

And yeah, I can see that happening. It's something I've even hinted at being a major part of Tamamo's character; I believe Gar correctly pointed it out back when I first introduced her?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 22 October, 2014, 02:25:40 pm
*shrug* Maybe. I don't remember.

Should one of the Seven be a Kitsune, then?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 22 October, 2014, 02:27:43 pm
No no, that's not what I was getting at. I just meant how you acknowledged that Tamamo is proud of being a kitsune to the extent of looking down on others. To be honest, I don't think a kitsune would work as one of the Seven.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 22 October, 2014, 03:38:27 pm
Ah, okay. Just wanted to make sure.

But on a related note, should there be a Demon of each of The Seven's species in the Lords? Obviously Lucifer is in both groups for the Fallen Angels, but what about the others?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 22 October, 2014, 04:46:41 pm
Mephistopheles and Lilith represent the devils and the succubi/incubi respectively. As for the rest, I don't consider it a requirement or something that should be done, but I mostly likely will anyway. It might be why I'm focusing so much on the Seven despite the Lords being a bigger priority.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 22 October, 2014, 04:55:22 pm
Fair enough. And even though they might not be directly the same type of Demon, Abaddon could be a counterpart to Beelzebub as I said before.

What would be handy is a really ancient Vampire, but Lilith is usually used for that. And Dracula's overdone and probably too recent, being around Medieval IIRC.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 22 October, 2014, 04:59:03 pm
Yeah, I was thinking roughly the same thing. Speaking of Abaddon, while I haven't gotten his personality and appearance I may have his role in the Lords.

And yeah, I was doing some thinking on the vampires. The only one who seems to out-age Dracula is something obscure like Lord Ruthven, or whichever of the Seven that eventually gets picked. In fact, as with pretty much everything it's undecided, but I was considering that whichever of the Seven is the original vampire could be so old he no longer even looks human, and takes the form of some sort of eldritch blood demon. But again, undecided and not set in stone.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 22 October, 2014, 05:03:51 pm
Oh? Go ahead.


That actually sounds pretty good to me. Kind of reminds me of a minor character in this book series I read years ago who was a shapehifter so old he was incapable of holding his natural appearance anymore.

The Vampire could still use a glamour or enchantment to appear beautiful/handsome, though. But maybe it dispels when he's particularly angry or something.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 22 October, 2014, 05:09:23 pm
Well, while doing some research I discovered that Abaddon's name (and his Greek version, Apollyon) literally means "Destroyer." So I was thinking that rather than directly furthering their plans, Abaddon could be the Lords' enforcer or hitman; the guy who eliminates any threat that the Lords' simply can't send their random mooks to deal with. So he attacks the dojo when it becomes clear that our characters are dangerous to their plans. And of course managing to repel him makes them suddenly start taking us seriously.


Exactly, something like that. It would allow me to include a vampire in the Lords and the Seven without them being too similar, like Beelzebub and Abaddon. The actual inspiration for it was the Blood of the Castle from Castlevania: Lord of Shadows 2.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 22 October, 2014, 05:29:35 pm
Sounds good to me. And maybe he could want to test himself against Beelzebub, being the oldest/most powerful insect demon and all? Or should he be loyal and respectful to him?

What's that? I can't find anything on it.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 October, 2014, 11:19:42 am
Well, like I said, I'm still working on his personality. For some reason I imagined him as being stern and loyal before I dropped him, but as a result he wasn't very interesting.


This guy: http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Inner_Dracula


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 October, 2014, 11:54:28 am
Well, if he's the Lords' enforcer/assassin it might be better to make him a bit more battle-hungry. Maybe even to Blood Knight levels?


Oh right. Yeah, something like that would be good.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 October, 2014, 04:33:01 pm
True. Plus a vicious, aggressive Blood Knight is the sort of thing you think of when you hear a title like "Abaddon the Destroyer", eh?


Glad you agree. Obviously not the same thing, though.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 October, 2014, 05:03:21 pm
Yep. Now the question is whether he should be very obviously battle-hungry, or more reserved and stoic until he finds a "worthy" opponent and/or is about to make the kill. There's also the question of whether he likes to play with his food, as it were.


Well I guess it depends a bit on how you want his true form to be. Should it still be something humanoid, or something more deformed and monstrous?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 October, 2014, 05:09:44 pm
Ooh... whenever I think of a Blood Knight I imagine the first, but I think the second would be a more interesting character, and maybe even fix the issue I had with my previous version. Instead of just being stern and stoic, he's stern and stoic to hide what a monster he is.


Hm... that's difficult to say. A humanoid form would probably be easiest, but deformed would suit the sin of Envy he represents, plus as you said a vampire's glamour can easily give him a humanoid form.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 October, 2014, 05:14:23 pm
Sounds good to me. I think it would also seem to make him more threatening.


I guess it also depends on how much you want to play on the blood demon angle.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 October, 2014, 05:16:11 pm
Yeah... yeah, I think you're right. I think I'm going to go with the second.


What do you mean?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 October, 2014, 05:27:27 pm
Okay, so we might have another Lord?


Well one possibility, albeit an extreme one, would be for his true form to be "made" of blood. Or at least look like it is.

Kind of like this: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130916152418/onepiece/images/9/9c/Venom_Demon_Jigoku_no_Shinpan.png

Though obviously a bit different.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 October, 2014, 05:34:08 pm
We might indeed. That makes seven all in, I believe.


Yes... see, I was considering that as opposed to the Castlevania-living pool, but I was a little worried it might be too cartoony or gimmicky.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 October, 2014, 05:44:55 pm
So that's...

Lucifer
Mephistopheles
Lilith
Tamamo
Damien
Boogeyman
And now possibly Abaddon.

You mentioned Abaddon having a specific role in the Lords, is the same true of any of the others? Besides obviously Lucifer being the leader.


I think I really just meant should his real form be a bit more amorphous? Though I guess if he's basically just a living mass of blood he could take any form he wants.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 October, 2014, 06:22:12 pm
Eh... kind of. Not as blatantly as Abaddon, of course, but my plan is that every one of the Lords does do SOMETHING that furthers Lucifer's plans.


Hmm... yeah, I think that makes sense.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 October, 2014, 06:24:09 pm
I see. Then that's another thing to bear in mind while thinking of the remaining candidates.


Yeah. Of course it all depends on how far/literally you want to take the blood demon thing.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 October, 2014, 07:21:16 pm
You're right. For someone I was so reluctant to use, Abaddon has opened up a pretty big door for me...


Yeah, I get'cha. I'll need to give some thought on it.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 October, 2014, 08:39:23 pm
So if indeed Vampires are going to represent Envy, we still need a demon species for the Greed Seven member.

Actually, briefly taking Vampires out of the running, is there another species of creature/demon that could potentially represent Envy?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 24 October, 2014, 11:52:14 am
They're not really considered demons, so this might not be a good suggestion, but dragons are typically the ancient creatures associated with greed, due to their hoarding nature and all that.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 24 October, 2014, 12:01:07 pm
Hm, interesting thought...


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 24 October, 2014, 12:02:44 pm
Yeah. Plus, while you say they're not demons, I believe some myths refer to the Devil as "the dragon", so it's not completely out of the way.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 24 October, 2014, 12:05:42 pm
And there's certainly been plenty of other evil fictional dragons, so it's not like we'd be drifting far away from the archetype.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 24 October, 2014, 12:08:27 pm
In which case, if we're looking for something very representative, a dragon, either humanoid or monstrous, would be a pretty good choice. Dragons are to greed what succubi/incubi are to lust, as far as I know.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 24 October, 2014, 12:12:21 pm
I think if a dragon becomes a member of the Seven it should definately be a big one. Maybe with the ability to shrink itself down/become more humanoid?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 24 October, 2014, 12:13:55 pm
Yeah, that sounds good. I think I might make that a theme for the Seven, with them all having humanoid forms but monstrous, One-Winged Angel true forms.

I think a dragon might work, though possibly make it "different" to traditional dragons, to separate the demonic members from the traditional ones that knights slay. I'm considering something similar for succubi/incubi, actually.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 24 October, 2014, 12:18:28 pm
The dragon could be something of an inversion compared to ones like Beelzebub and the potential Vampire/blood demon, in that it actually prefers to spend most of its time in its full dragon form, probably guarding its hoard.


Different how, though?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 24 October, 2014, 12:26:23 pm
Yeah, that makes sense. It keeps it from just being strictly formula. It's quite similar to what I have planned for Lucifer, actually.


I'm not sure for the dragons yet, but I'm considering Asmodeus's race could be "True Succubi/Incubi" and are horrendous monsters that use illusions to appear beautiful, as opposed to Lilith and the other succubi who just ARE beautiful. Of course, going through this topic I can't say I'm too hot on the idea anymore... maybe keep it for Asmodeus as his monstrous form, like Belial.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 24 October, 2014, 12:34:46 pm
Hm... Could Asmodeus in particular have become corrupted in some way? I like the idea of it just being him and not simply a natural late stage of every succubus/incubus' life cycle.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 24 October, 2014, 12:36:45 pm
He (or she) could indeed. In fact, it's entirely possible that his time in Hell could have done something (and to Mammon, in fact), and that's what separates them from the regular succubi and dragons.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 24 October, 2014, 01:57:42 pm
What do you think of the idea of Asmodeus being an Incubus and the Seven dragon being female? It could be a good inversion of the usual gender assignations. For example, leaders of lust demons tend to be female and the majority of villainous dragons seem to be male.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 24 October, 2014, 03:31:01 pm
Hm... that could work. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a female dragon in any major series...


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 24 October, 2014, 03:48:51 pm
The only ones that spring to mind are Dragon from Shrek and, if she counts, Maleficent. And it doesn't take long for Dragon do a heel-face turn.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 24 October, 2014, 08:19:39 pm
That's true...

For Asmodeus, I was starting to think that maybe s/he could be androgynous or a hermaphrodite. That's he's not an incubus or a succubus, but both.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 24 October, 2014, 08:33:41 pm
Ooh, androgynous could be good... Not obviously sexy either way like a normal suc/incubus, just... beautiful. Which would make the true form all the more shocking.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 25 October, 2014, 12:44:22 pm
Exactly.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 25 October, 2014, 12:48:18 pm
He'd never be as fabulous as this (http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101110151704/finalfantasy/images/6/68/Dissidia_Kuja.png), though.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 25 October, 2014, 12:52:29 pm
Or would he?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 25 October, 2014, 01:00:03 pm
You never know. Though I will admit, it'll be difficult to top the Evil Thong.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 25 October, 2014, 01:04:46 pm
What if s/he was also really touchy about anything tarnishing his/her beauty? As in flying into a murderous rage if, say, someone managed to scratch his/her face.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 25 October, 2014, 01:13:08 pm
Oh, of course. If I wasn't going to give something like that to Asmodeus, it would have been Lilith.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 25 October, 2014, 01:28:15 pm
Still, Lilith could have traits of it even if it's not as severe. To quote Kefka "AHEM! There's SAND on my boots!".


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 25 October, 2014, 02:04:56 pm
Ah, sort of a more grown up spoiled brat deal?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 25 October, 2014, 02:16:25 pm
Yeah. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but she's already displayed traits of that in her annoyance with Cara.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 25 October, 2014, 03:20:29 pm
True. Lilith IS a queen after all, so she's not used to not getting her way.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 25 October, 2014, 03:46:34 pm
Yeah, whereas I imagine Asmodeus is more like a slowly-bubbling cauldron of crazy.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 25 October, 2014, 03:50:49 pm
Yeah... yeah, I think that works.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 25 October, 2014, 04:01:17 pm
Any thoughts about how to make the dragons more demonic?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 25 October, 2014, 04:04:49 pm
Well, I've been doing some reading on Revelation, and supposedly one of the beasts that ends the world is a great dragon. Perhaps we could give Mammon some traits from that?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 25 October, 2014, 04:19:10 pm
Sounds good. What sort of thing?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 25 October, 2014, 04:24:20 pm
Having trouble finding that, unfortunately.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 25 October, 2014, 04:59:45 pm
No kind of physical description?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 25 October, 2014, 06:03:28 pm
None as of yet. Though I'm sure there must be something.

I did find this (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/La_B%C3%AAte_de_la_Mer.jpg/1024px-La_B%C3%AAte_de_la_Mer.jpg), though.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 25 October, 2014, 06:05:56 pm
Oh yeah, I think I remember something about a many-headed dragon in Revelations.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 26 October, 2014, 11:25:31 am
Same, I'm just having trouble finding that part.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 26 October, 2014, 07:17:53 pm
Well, a multi-headed dragon would already be pretty different. But I can't help feeling there should be something about her wings, too. If she has them, anyway.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 27 October, 2014, 12:17:51 pm
Yeah... thing is, the typical "demonic" wings are bat-like, which are pretty similar to dragons already.

For Mammon I was considering giving her different heads from your typical dragon.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 27 October, 2014, 02:10:43 pm
Like what?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 27 October, 2014, 02:52:36 pm
Actually I was thinking that maybe her wings should be a bit... I don't know, emaciated or somehow diminished though lack of use after so much time just guarding her hoard.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 27 October, 2014, 03:09:35 pm
I don't know, exactly, just something to make her look more... unnatural, you know?

The emeciated wings thing could work... maybe make her a full on dracolich? Even with a dragon's long lifespan, she continues to guard her hoard long after her body has died?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 27 October, 2014, 03:58:22 pm
Ooh, that could be good.

It might help to decide how may heads she'll have, if we're going for the multi-headed idea.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 27 October, 2014, 04:05:35 pm
Well there were seven in the picture. I'd like to see if I can find anything that says otherwise first, though.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 27 October, 2014, 04:21:18 pm
I'd say seven should probably be the maximum.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 27 October, 2014, 04:22:44 pm
Any particular reason why?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 27 October, 2014, 05:52:30 pm
I just think more than that might be overkill.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 28 October, 2014, 06:00:00 pm
Hm... yeah, I suppose.

Seems seven heads is the typical depiction of the Dragon of Revelations anyway.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 28 October, 2014, 07:10:03 pm
Fair enough then.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 29 October, 2014, 12:06:08 pm
Yeah.

For her human form, I'm considering making Mammon look like some sort of businesswoman.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 29 October, 2014, 12:49:44 pm
Yeah, that could work.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 29 October, 2014, 01:24:28 pm
I was considering making him a businessman before, plus I've heard he's sometimes portrayed as a banker or a casino owner in Hell. Plus I've been trying to get a character with that sort of look, primarily because I'm a sucker for pencil skirts and heels.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 29 October, 2014, 01:34:55 pm
As long as she also has glasses.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 29 October, 2014, 01:40:47 pm
Ooh, now THERE's a though.

Also, are you fucking serious? CASINO is censored?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 29 October, 2014, 02:54:54 pm
Don't get me started.

But should it be a transformation, or maybe just some kind of projection while the real Mammon guards her treasure? Or maybe she has people that can act as a "host" for her?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 29 October, 2014, 03:45:13 pm
Hmmmm... now that you mention it, I'm not too sure...


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 30 October, 2014, 04:18:47 pm
A host could work, would mean she'd almost never have to leave her hoard.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 31 October, 2014, 05:02:20 pm
Hm... true, true.

An idea I had (and, admittedly, one of the reasons I'm a bit apprehensive of making Mammon a dragon) is that Mammon is frequently referred to as "the wolf of avarice." So perhaps one of her powers could be control over wolf-like demons/spirits that serve as her eyes/ears?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 31 October, 2014, 05:13:06 pm
That could work. You could also make her heads look a bit wolfish/canine.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 31 October, 2014, 05:22:48 pm
Hm... yeah, yeah, I think I like that. A wolf-dragon.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 05 November, 2014, 11:29:40 am
I have a couple of questions:

1. Are you still going with the idea that Hell is primarily a place of punishment, so the Lords aren't actually evil, just unpleasant people?

2. Assuming they're a full species like any other, how are Fallen Angels viewed by other demons?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 06 November, 2014, 12:24:31 pm
1. Eh... in a way. I'm going with the idea that Hell is a realm of suffering, not merely punishment. When a person dies and have sinned, but don't feel remorse for what they did then they don't get sent to Hell, but rather the gods and powers are simply unable to take them to Heaven, or Purgatory, or make them a Prinnie or whatever. As for the Lords, I'm trying to go for a spread; some are DEFINITELY evil, but I'm trying to justify why they turned out that way. Some are just unpleasant, and some future Lords might even be heroic. They will almost all be antagonistic in some way, however, and their end goal is NOT noble, I'll tell you that.

2. I'm not one hundred percent sure. They'd probably be respected at least, by being a race so evil that they actually fell from God's grace, plus being descended from Lucifer. But it would also make sense if some didn't respect Fallen Angels for not being "true" demons. I haven't really thought about it very much.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 06 November, 2014, 12:42:11 pm
So are Fallen Angels now a full, separate species in their own right, or do they only come into existance when a normal Angel becomes corrupted?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 November, 2014, 01:31:12 pm
Hm... perhaps both? Not only can you be born a Fallen Angel but you can also become one? Or maybe those born Fallen Angels and those who are corrupted into them are two different, separate species? To be perfectly honest, I haven't thought it all the way through... I have a slight problem of trying to go a "All Myths Are True (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllMythsAreTrue)" route and bring all interpretations in, so it becomes a bit of a mess...


Also, I've been doing some thinking on Belial and Mammon, and I think I have a few ideas that I should run past you guys.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 07 November, 2014, 01:42:47 pm
That could probably work. It sounds quite similar to how I've been operating under the idea that vampires can be both born and made, but have some differences. Like the ones who are made are the ones that are vulnerable to sunlight and stuff,more like stereotypical vampires. Then there are the "born" vampires like ILS has described when bringing in Angela.


Okay, fire away.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 November, 2014, 01:44:43 pm
Ah, yes. I've done something similar for a project outside the RPs, though funnily enough I went the other way around.


Well, probably one I should run past you first; I remember you said you'd rather not have a demon named Leviathan as one of the Seven due to your summon Leviathan, but how do you feel about "leviathan" also being the name for a race of demons?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 07 November, 2014, 04:48:39 pm
What sort of demons would they be?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 November, 2014, 05:20:08 pm
Most likely either serpent demons or aquatic demons.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 07 November, 2014, 05:51:15 pm
Hm... I think I'd prefer them not to be serpents to further separate them from my Leviathan.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 November, 2014, 06:30:28 pm
I thought so. The only reason I'm asking is so I had a backup idea for Belial's descendants, because I was considering possibly making Mammon the vampire of the Seven instead. I thought of making vampires demons of Envy for stealing the life that is denied them, but as I thought I realised they could work as demons of Greed too.

I haven't decided, and I still have some possible ideas for if we make her a dragon. I will say I'm a bit worried about her being TOO much like a simple, traditional dragon in appearance and personality.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 07 November, 2014, 06:32:17 pm
That's fair enough. Nothing's set in stone.

So how might Leviathans tie into envy?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 November, 2014, 06:34:09 pm
Nothing aside from a few details with Lucifer and Satan. Those are the big ones, so I've worked on them the most.


Well... broken record, I know, but I haven't really thought of it. It only just occurred to me today, so I'm still thinking it over. Perhaps they belong to an abyss, and are envious of the lush worlds that other races are free to enter?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 07 November, 2014, 06:39:00 pm
*nod* It's a thought.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 November, 2014, 06:43:44 pm
Yeah. My main reason for naming his demons the Leviathans was more a nod to the original Leviathan, who was the Prince of Envy in the original lore, as I mentioned to you.


While I'm keeping my mind open for possibly making Mammon a vampire, an idea I had is that she's greedy in a more metaphorical sense than the literal sense most dragons have. In her case, she wants gold, jewels and money, yes, but her hoard isn't limited to just material wealth. She's also obsessed with power, in every sense. As such, while called "a dragon", she's more of an eldritch abomination, an amalgamation of multiple creatures in an attempt to become the best creature. It also ties into traditional dragons; they have the size and strength of a dinosaur, but the abilities of flight and magic, and hence are some of the most powerful creatures in the world.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 07 November, 2014, 06:55:30 pm
Ooh, that sounds interesting. But could she still have a "host", because maybe other beings find her true form too horrible/bizarre to look at?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 November, 2014, 06:59:12 pm
Definitely. The Abomination would be her true form, while she would have a more humanoid form/host that she uses for business in order to gain her political power.

Also, regardless of what her species is, I think I have her end goal as a demon of greed; she wants to reclaim the fragment of her power that helped form the Demon World, knowing this would make the world unstable and ultimately cause it to collapse on itself.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 07 November, 2014, 07:04:47 pm
Cool. I wouldn't like to lose the possibility of a sexy evil businesswoman.


Oh, that also sounds good. Then maybe she's the only one of the Seven who Lucifer keeps a particularly close eye/short leash on?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 07 November, 2014, 07:38:04 pm
Not gonna lie; I'm using a sexy businesswoman character at some point regardless. Just whether it's Mammon or not is the case.


Most likely; between Belphegor's laziness, Satan's disappearance, and Asmodeus keeping to themselves, Mammon's greed would be the only one that would be a threat. Beelzebub and Belial are behind her, their insatiable appetite and rampant jealousy making them unpredictable, but they don't have a specific goal like Mammon.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 08 November, 2014, 08:37:39 am
Satan's disappearance? I'm intrigued.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 08 November, 2014, 12:50:14 pm
Good. But sadly I can't really discuss it as it's for future plans... if I even get far enough to use them... :-\


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 08 November, 2014, 01:16:52 pm
Eh, didn't really expect you to. I was just saying.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 08 November, 2014, 01:20:55 pm
I know, though I'm happy to know I'm at least raising interest. :)


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 09 November, 2014, 04:16:15 pm
Making her an eldritch abomination could work pretty well, yeah.

Saying that, I'm a lovecraft fan, so any eldritch abomination gets my approval.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 09 November, 2014, 04:26:59 pm
In all honesty, I'm considering making all of the Seven abominations to a degree. Lucifer is more of a humanoid abomination, but considering the true forms I have in mind (Beelzebub as a sentient swarm, Belial as a blood demon, Asmodeus as... well...) I'm considering making it a theme. They ARE the original demons, after all.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 09 November, 2014, 05:18:42 pm
Makes sense. We would have to decide exactly what's so horrible about Asmodeus, I can't remember if we came up with anything...


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 09 November, 2014, 05:20:55 pm
I'm thinking about basing Asmodeus's true form on his appearance according to myth: "Asmodeus is strong, powerful and appears with three heads; the first is like a bull, the second like a man, and the third like a ram; the tail of a serpent, and from his mouth issue flames of fire."


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 12 November, 2014, 06:55:53 pm
Sounds good to me. Thouh I think the man head should be in the middle.


I think I may have found a candidate for a potential Vampire member of the Lords of Hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmilla


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 13 November, 2014, 10:38:08 am
Ah, Carmilla. I remember her. Admittedly, primarily from Castlevania.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 13 November, 2014, 01:49:38 pm
I think I've come across a version of her (or a Vampire inspired by her) somewhere too, I just can't remember where.

If we did use her, we could reference her book predating Bram Stoker's Dracula by making her the Vampire who originally turned the TIA's version of Vlad Tepes. I assume there must be one somewhere, even if we don't use him.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 13 November, 2014, 02:01:01 pm
Ooh, that sounds good.

I was actually looking up famous vampires not too long back, and another couple I was considering were Lord Ruthaven and Elizabeth Bathory. Of course, I only saw them in a list and recognised them from somewhere, so I don't know much about them.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 13 November, 2014, 03:39:51 pm
Carmilla is the 'archetypical' female vampire, much like Dracula is the archetypical male vampire. So you've probably come across her/references to her various places. Castlevania of course being one of them.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 13 November, 2014, 06:34:09 pm
Ah, of course. That makes sense; I'll need to do some research on her then. She might fit in nicely with the Lords.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 15 November, 2014, 04:55:25 am
She might, she might.

You can start here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Carmilla

Of course, there's also wikipedia and the rest of the interwebz.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 15 November, 2014, 06:45:01 am
Excellent. I always like to start with TV Tropes if I can; I'll give it a look later.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 22 November, 2014, 04:52:31 pm
Would you be alright with others eventually introducing their own characters connected to or working under the Lords?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 November, 2014, 08:14:01 am
Hm... well, that depends, I suppose. What did you have in mind?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 November, 2014, 09:17:44 am
Well for a while now I've been thinking of this vampire character who was basically the queen bee alpha bitch of Susan and Dorian's school in the Demon World, and Susan's main rival and former bully of those years, and more recently I've been thinking maybe she could've risen to a high enough status to work for one of the Lords of Hell. She'd be strong, but obviously nowhere near enough to be a threat to any Lord so she'd actually be properly loyal.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 November, 2014, 11:34:05 am
I see... that could work, yeah.

To be honest, I actually toyed with the idea of the Lords of Hell being something that everyone (at the time) would be a part of. Sadly some problems came up and that never came to pass.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 November, 2014, 12:41:10 pm
Well, it's not like something like that could never happen. Maybe not the Lords themselves, but people could always do what I've just asked.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 November, 2014, 03:12:58 pm
True, I suppose.

So, about this character? Is there a particular Lord she would serve under?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 November, 2014, 03:20:34 pm
Well I suppose the Vampire (if one is chosen) would be the obvious choice, given her species, but I guess it could be any of them. I haven't developed her very much yet.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 November, 2014, 03:27:58 pm
I should've seen that answer coming. >_<

Yeah, I don't see why you can't have a character be related to the Lords, as long as you run the character past me first. The Lords themselves aren't as developed as I'd like them to be, but it shouldn't be a problem.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 November, 2014, 03:44:41 pm
Yeah, I'd probably wait until the Lords are a bit more developed before working on her properly.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 November, 2014, 03:48:44 pm
Well... word of warning, that MIGHT take a while.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 23 November, 2014, 03:54:52 pm
Well, it's not like I don't have more urgent characters to sort out first anyway. :-\


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 23 November, 2014, 03:56:05 pm
If you say so...


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 21 December, 2014, 10:57:45 am
Well, after sitting down and watching one of the Dracula films, I'm strongly considering just using him as one of the Lords. Or at least I was... to be honest I'm kind of reconsidering the whole damn thing.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 21 December, 2014, 11:51:42 am
Oh? How come?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 21 December, 2014, 11:56:49 am
Mostly the realisation that I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 21 December, 2014, 12:14:42 pm
I think what you've got so far is pretty good...


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 21 December, 2014, 04:44:19 pm
Yeah. And usually when creating something, you don't really know what you're doing. But it comes to you over time.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 21 December, 2014, 04:57:38 pm
Yeah. And usually when creating something, you don't really know what you're doing. But it comes to you over time.

I doubt it happens this badly.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 11 July, 2015, 01:09:08 pm
Well, despite my last response in this topic, I have something to say. I probably shouldn't be discussing it yet, but I feel the need to brag a bit and this topic is as good as any to do it in.

As of yesterday, I have chosen 12 of my 13 Lords. ;D I have a couple I'm not completely sure of, some I haven't got an appearance, personality or powers for yet, but I have at least a basic idea. And considering how long I've been working on them, I consider this an accomplishment.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 26 July, 2015, 10:25:19 am
Oh, cool!


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 26 July, 2015, 01:09:06 pm
Indeed. As a result, I've also done a LOT of thinking about how Hell works, especially in comparison to the Demon World.

One of the things I'm considering is dropping the idea that the 13 Lords are the ruling class in Hell. They're 13 extremely powerful demons, but they're not it's rulers. Hell has no rulers. As for the Seven, Hell is their prison. Not their home.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 26 July, 2015, 05:17:32 pm
Yeah, that does sound very different.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 27 July, 2015, 08:54:07 am
Indeed it is. But it also works better than my original plan, and it helps with a plot twist I have planned further down the line.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 27 July, 2015, 11:37:50 am
*nod* Sounds good.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: I_like_Nonon on 27 July, 2015, 11:58:15 am
It does. It's always nice when things fall into place.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 27 July, 2015, 12:38:10 pm
So the Seven are particularly bad by Hell's standards rather than being figures who are followed and respected?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 27 July, 2015, 01:08:16 pm
Pretty much. Basically, the Seven are beings so powerful and dangerous they had to be locked away and forgotten about. Hell was created FOR them, to keep them away from everyone else. Lucifer led the rebellion against God, for instance.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 27 July, 2015, 02:25:40 pm
And do they still represent the seven deadly sins?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 27 July, 2015, 05:32:47 pm
Yes, they do.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 13 August, 2015, 05:18:09 pm
So if the Seven are imprisoned instead of the rulers, does that mean there'll be some kind of mass breakout?


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 13 August, 2015, 05:28:59 pm
You could say that. Any particular reason why?

I WILL say that changing Hell from a kingdom to a prison has made a LOT of my planned twists and plots just click into place perfectly.

Also, I've decided to add another member to the Lords. Due to the nature of Hell, Lucifer is now the "zeroth" member, leaving another spot open for a new member. And in the process, letting me loophole around my superstitious nature. :3

I will need to rename my Lords, of course. "Lords of Hell" doesn't really fit now that they're not from Hell anymore.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Gargravarr on 14 August, 2015, 12:39:30 pm
Nah, no reason. I was just wondering.

That all sounds good, though. It's nice when ideas finally start to work the way you want them to.


Title: Re: RP world-building discussion.
Post by: Davidk92 on 15 August, 2015, 12:55:19 pm
Yeah, it is. ^_^